George Zimmerman Returns to Sanford, FL [In Police Custody]

George Zimmerman Legal Case ^ | 6/3/12

[Uncle Chip]

Great article about the PayPal account. Judge Lester should read it before the hearing tomorrow or whenever its scheduled.

[Doe Eyes]

2. Trayvon’s pockets & clothes contain one dime. That is all the money he had. Now we all saw him leave the 7-11 with two dollar bills. Where did that money go? Sort of adds to the credibility of the possibility that he bought two blunts, doesn’t it?

Zimmerman could have stolen the money after he shot Trayvon in the chest.

[patriot08]

While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few weeks ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

Mr. Strait died from his injuries last week.

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL OUTRAGE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

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Have they caught the rest of the gang of feral blacks who raped, tortured and murdered this elderly woman? Are they even looking? Not a word about it in the media.

[Uncle Chip]

Where do you disagree with the author’s points in here regarding the PayPal monies that it is an illegal inquiry into client attorney privilege???

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/03/regarding-zimmerman-finances-a-legal-consideration/

Those donations came with restrictions and qualifications and I’m sure the people who gave that money had no intention of the court using their donations to raise his bond or increase his bail. If the donors were to ask for their money back from PayPal because it was used for other than they intended, they would still be able to get the money back whether in the Credit Union or not.

[FreedomPoster]

The burden of proof remains upon you. That is the way American jurisprudence works.

Given that you have been informed of this a couple of times and pointedly ignored the information, and your general unpleasant confrontation style, I’ll have to put you in the troll category at this point, at best.

[Cboldt]

-- 1. Teeth are natural. We have all seen the picture with gold teeth. --

The gold teeth are a halloween-type of item. Similar to blackened teeth. Temporary, and for effect only.

-- 2. Trayvon's pockets & clothes contain one dime. --

The police got the other forty dollars and change. When the police emptied Martin's pockets, they left a dime behind.

[SoFloFreeper]

He didn’t lie. I am certain he will never even be charged with lying to the court, which would be perjury.

[Beach_Babe]

The medical examiner report has some very interesting tidbits:

1. Teeth are natural. We have all seen the picture with gold teeth. They don’t look like a grill to me, but should this be investigated.

2. Trayvon’s pockets & clothes contain one dime. That is all the money he had. Now we all saw him leave the 7-11 with two dollar bills. Where did that money go? Sort of adds to the credibility of the possibility that he bought two blunts, doesn’t it?

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1. Yes, we all have seen the picture with the gold teeth. But I think I'm the only one who questions if that's the same Trayvon. There's a scar under the right eye of the gold-tooth Trayvon and the hairlines seem different to me also ... one is rounded, one is straight across.

2. $40.15 was collected by the police. I guess they missed the ten cents the M.E. found. page 7 of 18

If he did get any weed in Sanford it was probably via his cousin ... the one his father originally thought he was with that night. It surely wasn't from some guy standing on the corner in a raincoat. None was found on him. It's quite possible he smoked a joint on his way home from the 7-11, he did have a lighter. It's not a big deal.

[Beach_Babe]

Humm . . . .

Florida Statutes
CHAPTER 496
SOLICITATION OF FUNDS

496.413 Contributions solicited for or accepted on behalf of a named individual.—

(1) Contributions solicited for, or accepted by or on behalf of, a named individual must be deposited in a trust account opened by a trustee named in a properly established trust document or must be deposited in a depository established in accordance with s. 69.031. The circuit court has jurisdiction over the contributed funds placed in such depository accounts.

(2) Disbursements of contributions may be properly made from a trust account only upon written verification from the trustee that the disbursement is in furtherance of the purpose for which the funds were solicited, with documentation reflecting the identity of the proposed payee and the justification for the proposed payment. Disbursements of contributed funds from a depository account may be made only as allowed by the court. When a trust account is to be closed and a balance remains in that account in excess of the amount needed for the benefit of the named individual, such excess funds may be transferred to another trust account for the benefit of another named individual who is in the same or similar circumstances.

(3) Any person or organization that violates the provisions of subsection (1) or subsection (2) is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. History.—ss. 12, 26, ch. 91-208; ss. 15, 19, ch. 94-287.

[CottShop]

[[He’s still a chubby ... must be eating a lot of twinkies.]]

Nope- He’s illegally druinking ‘Big Gulp’ Softdrinks

[Uncle Chip]

Well all those who donated money to the GZ's cause can rest better tonight knowing that their contributions are safe under the watchful eye of the same circuit court that whacked him with a $150,000 bond. This should be a conflict of interest.

I wonder how many people in Florida soliciting funds for all the myriad of named individuals know about this statute? They will now.

In the meantime let's start rounding up all the panhandlers across the state because I doubt any of them have trust accounts.

[Joe Brower]

I genuinely feel sorry for Zimmerman. It's no fun being a political football.

I note now that the NYT, without fanfare or admitted correction, is no longer referring to Zimmerman as 'White-Hispanic', but just 'Hispanic'.

Their latest attempt at race-baiting and mob incitement is unraveling.

Florida Freeper

[Uncle Chip]

They do look different. Surely if there are two Trayvons, in two different schools, at two different places, someone on the ground in Florida can track it down.

I noticed that GZ's DL in your link listed him at 5-7 and 200 lbs. And Trayvon's DL listed him as 6 foot and 160 lbs.

[wtc911]

Nope, this is not a court of law...this is an internet forum. The burden of proof is on anyone making a speculative statement and presenting it as fact.

The statement at issue is that martin attacked, assaulted or jumped zimmerman without provocation. More than a few here have declared this to be a known truth. Not a single one has provided actual proof....care to try?

[wtc911]

There is no independent reliable, credible and trustworthy on-scene eyewitness, no video. The issue cannot be resolved to the standard of proof that wtc911 demands.

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The standard of proof I "demand" is called just that - proof.

You have just acknowledged that you don't have it.

I could take the exact set of knowns (zimmerman followed martin - martin ran) and say that the fact is that zimmerman confronted martin, showed or reached for his gun and martin started fighting for his life by knocking zimmerman down before he could pull the gun and continued to beat the armed stranger to save his own life.

That version is based on known facts --- therefore it must be true.

[Cboldt]

-- That version is based on known facts --- therefore it must be true. --

But there is additional evidence, including: Zimmerman's past conduct toward people he called the police on; Zimmerman's physical shape as evidenced by getting winded after a run of under half a minute; the relative physical condition of Martin compared with Zimmerman, in particular speed and endurance in running, reach advantage, etc.; Zimmerman having called the police and was expecting them; absence of any witness hearing "Don't shoot!", "Gun!", or similar; that if Martin did see a gun before he hit Zimmerman (as your hypothetical posits), he failed to focus his attention on the gun arm for the duration of the one minute or longer altercation.

-- The standard of proof I "demand" is called just that - proof. --

I understand. You require a reliable, credible, and independent witness, or video. A person who was on scene, who viewed the entire altercation from a vantage point that admits seeing and hearing the action, combined with an ability to clearly recall the sequence of events. But the police and court don't have that, so have to reach a conclusion on the evidence they do have. The police didn't have a problem doing that. The state, in order to mount its case, has introduced two witnesses that the SPD did not use - DeeDee and Sybrina. The state's theory of the case depends on the testimony of those two, which runs counter to the testimony of on-scene eyewitnesses.

-- You have just acknowledged that you don't have it. --

Nobody has it, or will have it. That condition of quality of evidence is no big deal, despite your attempt to make it so. There is plenty of evidence in this case. That the evidence does not meet your standard for finding Zimmerman to have justification for his use of deadly force is irrelevant, because the law provides its own standards of "proof." At a 776.032 immunity hearing, the standard is "more likely than not," and if the case goes to trial, the burden is on the state to disprove the use of self defense, beyond a reasonable doubt. Neither of those standards is "proof to a metaphysical certainty."

[FreedomPoster]

The only witness says so, and the available evidence more than tends to backs up his story. There is the logical result of what proof that is available.

[FreedomPoster]

Related to the above - have you ever been on a serious criminal jury? Did you display this level of intelligent analysis and social interaction in the jury room?

If yes to all, did any of your fellow jurors slap you?

[FreedomPoster]

Exactly so on that last. Hence my previous comments. BTDT.

[Uncle Chip]

The state, in order to mount its case, has introduced two witnesses that the SPD did not use - DeeDee and Sybrina. The state's theory of the case depends on the testimony of those two, which runs counter to the testimony of on-scene eyewitnesses.

Great point. These two were not eyewitnesses but earwitnesses who disagree with the eyewitnesses.