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To: Rides3

You are just muddying the water. What do indians have to do with this thread? WKA defined what a NBC is. I gave you the quote from Madison describing birth as more important than parentage and it is the U.S. policy to ignore foreign parents PROVING that our framers with the exception of John Jay had NO concern about divided loyalty.

And even Jay didn’t say the president shouldn’t have foreign parents - he just didn’t want a foreigner to sit in the office. There isn’t conclusive proof that Jefferson’s mother was a citizen before Thomas was born; not that it has any bearing since he was grandfathered in.

Believe what you want but know this. There is no judge, politician, political analyst, conservative talk show host, NO ONE who believes birther propaganda - maybe 1 out of a 1000 if you do manage to find an odd ball and quite a few of them are on this forum. There is no written document that says (even by logic) that you need citizen parents unless you are born overseas.

I have visited birther websites out of curiousity. Just about all of them solicit contributions. Leo Donofrio must have made a fortune because I heard he quit law and as we speak Apuzzo is getting his hat handed to him by 3 judges in NJ. Let’s hope he doesn’t get fined for wasting the court’s time.

If we could just focus on finding more productive ways to get Obama out of office, that time would be better spent than messing around with this stuff.


85 posted on 05/30/2012 5:56:57 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

I thought it was just Elizabeth Warren who claimed to be Cherokee. I didn’t realize Obama had followed suit...

The belief that there are ‘native citizens’, born in the USA from alien parents, and NBC, born in the USA of citizen parents, is false.

As noted in the 1913 US Supreme Court decision:

“Citizenship is membership in a political society, and implies a duty of allegiance on the part of the member and a duty of protection on the part of the society. These are reciprocal obligations, one being a compensation for the other. Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects save that of eligibility to the Presidency. Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, 88 U. S. 165; Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94, 112 U. S. 101; Osborn v. Bank of United States, 9 Wheat. 738, 22 U. S. 827.”

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/231/9/case.html


88 posted on 05/30/2012 6:22:44 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: New Jersey Realist
it is the U.S. policy to ignore foreign parents
You seem to be just making stuff up. Read the US State Department publication I posted, above. It most definitely is NOT US policy to ignore foreign parents. Those born dual nationals, including those born to a foreign parent, are required to obey the laws of BOTH countries to which they owe allegiance. The US State Department explicitly states such. Foreign parents are NOT ignored.
96 posted on 05/30/2012 8:34:04 PM PDT by Rides3
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