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To: circumbendibus

My couzin and her husband were livinbg on a US base in Poitiers, france between 1961-1964, during which time two daughters were born to them.

Both girls received a letter from the US government and one from the French government when they reached the age of 21 years. They were required to announce then as adults what their citizenship preference was. Of course, they chose to be US citizens. Prior to that time, both were considered to possess dual citizenship.

My biggest concern with Obama’s status is that his Mother was well-known to be an anti-American person. Stanley Ann married two foreign men who were both Muslims. So, I think his status is more confusing than most. She was thought to be an ex-patriot. So, what exactly was her status? Did she renounce her allegiance to the USA?

As for Marco Rubio, he was born in the USA to immigrants who were not yet naturalized. It’s a different scenario.

When I was growing up in the 50’s, I was told that any person who was born in the USA was automatically a citizen. That is the rationale for all the Mexican/Latino illegal immigrants, is it not? To give birth to anchor babies?


82 posted on 05/30/2012 2:40:47 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop
When I was growing up in the 50’s, I was told that any person who was born in the USA was automatically a citizen. That is the rationale for all the Mexican/Latino illegal immigrants, is it not? To give birth to anchor babies?
Here's where there seems to be a bit of confusion. The actual law states: "born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof."

However, from my earlier post we know that Trumbull and the Senate Judiciary Committee meant "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" to mean "not owing allegiance to anyone else." The US-born children of aliens may very well owe allegiance to other sovereigns/nations depending on their parents' country's nationality laws.

Unfortunately, the actual intent of the 14th Amendment is little known because the US school system does such a poor job of teaching US History, and activist judges have expanded the interpretation of the jurisdiction clause WAY beyond its original intent.

83 posted on 05/30/2012 2:54:48 PM PDT by Rides3
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Gumdrop, there is a difference between citizen and “natural born citizen.” That is the issue. Neither of the examples you cited could ever be natral born citizens.

One must be born in USA to citizen parents. Period. Governor Bill Richardson could be elected a state governor but his mother was a Mexican citizen who flew to Los Angeles from Mexico City to give birth to him. Richardson’s Dad was a US citizen residing in Mexico at the time. He was a banker. So Richardson is a statutory citizen, but not natural born and not eligible.


216 posted on 05/31/2012 8:54:12 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2012)
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