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To: PeaRidge; rockrr
Have you noticed that the less ground Pea has to stand on, the longer and more indignant and more bloviating his posts get.

He started out by accusing John Adams and Robert Livingston of killing Jefferson's anti-slave trade passage in the Declaration. He never actually provided any evidence at all for that assertion. But here he is getting on his high horse about sourcing, like that's his right.

I gave my source many posts back as R.B. Bernstein. That's his biography, Thomas Jefferson. Page 34: "Jefferson took each cut and change as a personal affront. While Adams fought to keep the draft intact, Jefferson suffered in silence." Just how Bernstein found that out, I don't know, but there it is in black and white on the printed page.

Looking for more information, I dug up Carl Binger's Thomas Jefferson, a Well-Tempered Mind. Here's a quote from John Adams on pages 61-2: "Mr. Jefferson had been now about a year a member of Congress, but had attended to his duty in the House a very small part of the time, and, when I was there, had never spoken in public. During the whole time I sat with him in Congress, I never heard him utter three sentences together."

Consequently, it's a lot more likely that Jefferson didn't speak up in defense of his original draft, than it is that Adams tried to kill his anti-slave trade passage, a charge that Pea has never provided evidence for.

I don't get why he keeps going on with this. We all know Jefferson had a checkered record on slavery. Some good spots, some bad ones. I guess he was like most people in that, not pure good or pure evil either. He wasn't wholly a villain, but there are better heroes out there if you want one. If some of us take a particular dislike to him, it's because of hero-worshipers like this guy.

164 posted on 06/08/2012 2:43:18 PM PDT by x
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To: x; rockrr; rlmorel
It seems that in your effort to attribute to Jefferson the status of a mute in order to protect your accusation that Jefferson did nothing to support his positions on the elimination of the slave trade, you over looked, check that, discounted my last post.

Here for you to read, and please do so in order that you may be better informed next time.

First, Founding Father Jefferson was engaged in countless efforts to express his concepts of Liberty for his entire life.....not failing to “speak up”, and this manifested itself while he was serving as a representative in the Virginia House of Burgesses, the Virginia Convention, Continental Congress, Confederation Congress, and as Governor of Virginia, Minister to France, Secretary of State, Vice President and President of the United States. (His speeches are preserved, if you care to take a look).

He was constantly corresponding with the most influential men, organizations, and publication entities of his time. He was not bashful in presenting ideas that ran counter to those in power. You can find evidence of that in "A Summary View of the Rights of British America" and the original draft of the DOI. There is no mistaking his willingness to break from the status quo.

“Jefferson drafted more reports, resolutions, legislation, and related official documents than any other Founding Father. Above all, Jefferson wrote letters, probably more than his illustrious contemporaries, and a larger number of these letters survive—some 18,000.

He corresponded with many leading lights of liberty, including Thomas Paine, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Patrick Henry, Marquis de Lafayette, James Madison, George Mason, Jean-Baptiste Say, Madame de Stael, and George Washington.” (James Powell, 1995).

Note to rockrr.........don't believe everything X says. My "bloviating" consisted of 505 words in post 163, a response to his post with 625 words.

He is such a kidder.

Note to rlmorel.......waiting on your "charm school" evaluation of the X poster. Don't keep us waiting.

167 posted on 06/11/2012 2:05:24 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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