US Citizens Now One Step Closer To Becoming Permanent Tax Slaves (Take a look at the Ex-PATRIOT Act)

The Sovereign Man ^ | 05/22/2012 | Simon Black

[silverleaf]

What do you think of retired NY public employees fleeing to FL to avoid onerous taxation?

That they should be permanently barred from ever again visiting New York. We could call it "The Schumer Law". Think of the jobs to be created as we line I-95 and all the airports and tunnels with more agents looking for NY state tax cheats.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: You have already compared the scum bag Brazilian to Washington.

In a sense Washington was even more of a traitor and scumbag ( if I take your point of view ).

He directed men to KILL the soldiers of his own country while Saverin simply followed the laws in the books that were available for men like him.

So yes, it IS relevant to compare Washington to Saverin because of your use of the word “scumbag”.

And yes, you have done a very good job of NOT ANSWERING my question.

Why in your argument, is Washington not a traitor to his country and Saverin is?

[Jacquerie]

Good point. I think Mark Levin remarked that since Plugs became El Vice Presidente, Schmuckie has top billing as the Senate’s dumbest dude.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: George Washington is my George Washington, the father of my country.

Therefore, I presume you APPROVE of what he did to HIS FORMER COUNTRY, and by this, I assume that you approve of people overthrowing their government when it becomes tyrannical because that’s EXACTLY what your George Washington did.

[ansel12]

So when creating American my ancestors and George Washington fought Britain, my family also fought Germany You won’t find me saying “American?, German? the British Crown?, what’s the difference?”, and so on, George Washington helped to create the United States of America and never renounced his American citizenship.

Your comparing George Washington and your new Brazilian hero who moved to Singapore is sick, all your guy did was renounce his American citizenship, he is no George Washington.

[Hostage]

All one needs to know to end the insanity is here:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

[ansel12]

Sorry dude, I am an American, all your comparisons do not interest me, I am an American firster, a chauvinistic American patriot I want Americans to always reject the other nations and fight for America.

Eduardo Saverin has nothing to do with any of all this, he isn’t even a Benedict Arnold, he is just an indifferent guy whose citizenship meant nothing to him.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

The ansells of 1776 were calling Washington a scumbag for sure. Independence over a 4 cent tax, that’s not near the crap we’re putting up with today.

[JD_UTDallas]

Actually George Washington was a traitor to his own country and his rightful sovereign the British crown. He did not at the time have American citizenship to give up as you say. He was a British citizen for life mind you at the time one could not give up citizenship to the sovereign and then had the audacity to turn traitor on the crown and raised arms against, and kill his own countries men in uniform all of those were hangable offences. Just because he won was the only reason he was not captured rightfully tried and convected as the traitor to his country he was. But that is the thing with revolutions the victors decide who is a traitor and who is patriot, as with all conflicts the victorious party decides what is "right" and what will be recorded in the history books.

The Brazilian guy is no GW he is just some guy that got lucky enough to get a upstart out of a tech incubator and into the market. He was not born a citizen he acquired it via nationalization he has every right to give up his second citizenship should it best suit his personal needs.

Every person on earth has the natural right to freedom of movement to suit their personal needs that right is given by God. If another country has a place for that person to legally reside and they want to leave us behind that is their God given right. Are all the millions of people who immigrated here in the 18th and 19th centuries traitors to their home countries for moving here and getting American citizenship most countries require you to renounce your current passport to take an American one.

Your argument is a fallacy that Eduardo is some kind of scum he is using his God given right to movement, he owes us nothing other than the taxes he has already legally paid while a citizen here once he leaves go with God sir but never ask the USA to come rescue you should your new home go tyrannical.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Sorry dude, I am an American, all your comparisons do not interest me, I am an American firster, a chauvinistic American patriot I want Americans to always reject the other nations and fight for America.

Your protestations that you are an American is NOT THE ISSUE.

Here is the issue:

WHY IS Eduardo Saverin ( in your words ), a SCUMBAG? I don’t think he is, why in your opinion, is he? And more importantly, do you support Chuck Schumer and his Ex-Patriot Act?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: George Washington helped to create the United States of America and never renounced his American citizenship.

Because the new nation he helped form CONFORMED to his principles. What would he have done had he loved long enough to see the nation he form degenerate into something like his old country?

RE: Your comparing George Washington and your new Brazilian hero who moved to Singapore is sick

WHY? Just as Washington abandoned his country and FOUGHT IT, Saverin abandoned his country ( but did not fight it, in fact he FOLLOWED the laws that his country PROVIDED for him ). How is Saverin a scumbag and Washington not? Your argument is INCONSISTENT to say the least.

But my argument is consistent -— Washington is NOT a scumbag, and neither is Saverin.

[ansel12]

No,your little scum bag Eduardo Saverin is not George Washington, not any kind of a George Washington.

Your bird has flown the coop, and taken his manly self to Singapore.

[JD_UTDallas]

If Eduardo Saverin was just some middle class working guy that had 2 passports and wanted to give up his American one because he is living under a low tax system abroad no one would care, what is so surprising is how people who claim to be conservatives are nashing at the class warfare teeth over this guy. What does it matter if he has 100,000 or 1 billion in assets that he legally and rightfully EARNED they are his assets, the citizens nor the damn fedzilla have no moral or legal rights to his personal property that is a key tenet of conservatism. F Chuck and this act it is nothing more than economic slavery and an affront to our natural right to chose who we are governed by, where we chose to reside, and with who we chose as our fellow country men. Those right are not issued by man but are given to us by our Creator the Lord God himself. Any man or groups of men attempting to infringe on those rights is in a very dangerous place to be. Our founders would not approve of this kind of law even though it would hurt them to see productive citizens leave they surly would not have infringed on a man’s right to do so.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: No,your little scum bag Eduardo Saverin is not George Washington, not any kind of a George Washington.

I never said he was and you are attacking a red herring. I am asking you WHY he is a scumbag for what he did and why is Washington NOT for what he did?

I also asked you if you supported Schumer’s Ex-Patriot Act.

You have thus far, NOT ANSWERED My question.

[ansel12]

I said that Washington never renounced his American citizenship, not that he held it before it even existed.

The guy had the right to movement, he is scum for renouncing his American citizenship.

Man, I would never have predicted this anti-Americanism a few years ago.

And yes, I do have a double standard when it comes to America, it is my old fashioned patriotism and nationalism, which seems dead among some. I do not compare someone renouncing North Korean citizenship for American as a traitor, like the scum who renounces American citizenship.

[ansel12]

Actually my family was pro-Washington, as am I, sorry about your childish statement.

If you want to renounce your American citizenship and embrace Singapore, then join your buddy, it will be just exactly like 1776, fight for Singapore!

[ansel12]

I never said he was and you are attacking a red herring. I am asking you WHY he is a scumbag for what he did and why is Washington NOT for what he did?

LOL, wow!

[SeekAndFind]

RE:LOL, wow!

That is NOT a response to my question.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: If you want to renounce your American citizenship and embrace Singapore, then join your buddy, it will be just exactly like 1776, fight for Singapore!

Another red herring.

Some Americans are willing to stay and fight for the principles they believe in. Others will use the laws America provides to peacefully leave. There’s nothing WRONG or IMMORAL with the latter act.

To insinuate that Partisan Gunslinger wants to give up his citizenship simply because he believes in the right of Saverin to peacefully give up his citizenship ( as provided by American law ) is ascribing to yourself omniscience that you don’t have.

[JD_UTDallas]

You just do not get it apparently. Unless you are 100% aboriginal ameri-indian your ancestors were traitorous scum by your definition. They left their homelands and moved here at some point in the past leaving behind their home nation and citizenship. Even if your ancestors were on the blooming Mayflower then they still rebelled against their rightful sovereign and committed treason to form this nation.

Your boy George was a bloody TRATIOR a real traitor one that waged war and murdered his own country men a real traitor to his nation,and his crown. Here again to the victor's go the spoils. It is only because his side won that he is not viewed as the traitor he was. Thus is what revolutionaries are traitors to one group and freedom fighters to another.

Saverin is just some guy who is using his legal right to leave a situation that he feels is in his personal interests. He is not picking up arms and murdering US armed forces trying to overthrow a legitimate government. Man you are dence if you cannot see that GW was and all ways will be a traitor to his crown, and Saverin is just some guy who took an exit pass before the house of cards comes down.

GW and 3% of the colonials waged a traitorous war against their legit govt of the time lucky for us they won and we all owe them a debt of gratitude but never ever forget the price of rebellion is ALWAYS treason.

It seems you fail to grasp that everyone here has families who left a place that they felt was not in their own personal best interests to stay any longer, to call all these people traitorous and scum is a disservice to those immigrants. Again just because this guy has millions does not change the fact that he like ALL other emigrants is using his God given right to self interest he like all others before him move to best suit the needs of the individual you seem to be envious of his money would you be as quick to call a middle class scientist scum who gives up his second passport because it no longer is an asset but a liability.