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US Citizens Now One Step Closer To Becoming Permanent Tax Slaves (Take a look at the Ex-PATRIOT Act)
The Sovereign Man ^ | 05/22/2012 | Simon Black

Posted on 05/22/2012 11:30:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

My country is dying. She is being brutally murdered at the hands of the enemy within.

There simply must be a breaking point.... I don’t know what it looks like or when it will be here, but it must be on it’s way.

There must be a point when country loving patriots all stand at the same time and shout, “NO! ENOUGH! NO MORE!

Just as sure as the sun is hot, THESE ATTACKS CAN NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.... our once great country can not survive much more of this.

Our Constitution was written by man, yet it was a gift from God. How long must we stand still and watch this gift be torn to pieces?

God Save the Republic....


21 posted on 05/22/2012 12:21:40 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: silverleaf

Is this about people moving somewhere, or renouncing America and their citizenship.

If it is renouncing citizenship, then what do we care what happens to them, they are hostile foreign nationals, anti-American foreigners, traitors?


22 posted on 05/22/2012 12:22:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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23 posted on 05/22/2012 12:26:05 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SeekAndFind
President Clinton was furious

and yet Bubba would have been the first to renounce if it was the only way to keep his pudgy pink rear out of the Draft...
24 posted on 05/22/2012 12:26:14 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: silverleaf
are citizens no longer protected from ex post facto punitive legislation?

Yes but having renounced these people are no longer citizens, get it?

Loopholes: The Trademark of Seedy Legislation

25 posted on 05/22/2012 12:28:10 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: massgopguy
EX POST FACTO!!!!!!!

Way back in 1798, the Supreme Court held that the Constitution's ban on ex post facto laws only applied to criminal laws, not civil ones. (Calder v. Bull.) Retroactive tax laws have sometimes been upheld and have sometimes been struck down as violations of the Due Process Clause; this proposal way well be found unconstitutional, but that is not a sure thing.

26 posted on 05/22/2012 12:47:35 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: massgopguy; Principled; iceskater
Ex post facto was understood at the Constitutional Convention, as per Blackstone's Commentaries, to apply to criminal matters only. It is why the prohibition on bills of attainder accompany it in Article I Section 9.

The Schmuckster's bill still stinks.

27 posted on 05/22/2012 12:49:24 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: ansel12

I don’t recall the old “Love it or Leave it” expression having an addendum “after we seize your assets”


28 posted on 05/22/2012 12:54:04 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: douginthearmy
I don’t recall the old “Love it or Leave it” expression having an addendum “after we seize your assets”

I'm not following the story closely.

Is this done after renouncing citizenship, or before someone has renounced America and their citizenship?

29 posted on 05/22/2012 1:01:10 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Won’t hold up in Court. The SCOTUS would strike it with 6,7 or even all 9 voting it down.


30 posted on 05/22/2012 1:10:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

RE: Won’t hold up in Court. The SCOTUS would strike it with 6,7 or even all 9 voting it down.

First things first, SOMEONE or SOME GROUP, ORGANIZATION or LEGISLATORS will have to file suit. Who’s going to do it?


31 posted on 05/22/2012 1:21:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: ansel12

Firstly, if people are leaving the country to avoid confiscatory taxes we need to question the taxes first. From day one, America has kept its people in by being the best country to live in, not by force or fee! It’s no accident that Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and the communist manifesto all have these emmigrant taxation policies. It’s outrageous beyond the pale! When you hear people talking about building a fence to keep you in, it might be time to get out.


32 posted on 05/22/2012 1:26:09 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: SeekAndFind

Slaves aren’t permitted to leave the plantation. The Communists know this and shoot those who try to escape from Communist nations.


33 posted on 05/22/2012 1:27:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

RE: Yes but having renounced these people are no longer citizens, get it?

In the United States, the federal government is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by clause 3 of Article I, section 9 of the U.S. Constitution and the states are prohibited from the same by clause 1 of Article I, section 10.

_________________________

So, Article I section 9 applies only to American Citizens and NOT to non-citizens?


34 posted on 05/22/2012 1:27:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: mo

I just haven’t figured out where to go yet.

Some say, “you have to stay and take this country back”.

How did that go for the Germans, Russians, Chineses, Cubans, Italians, French, Iranians...?


35 posted on 05/22/2012 1:31:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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To: douginthearmy

What are you talking about?

No one is restricting Americans travel, or talking about putting up a wall.

This is about scum renouncing America and American citizenship, a totally different subject, and one that conservatives have always agreed was about the lowest thing on earth.

These are the most disgusting form of foreign scum, not Americans.


36 posted on 05/22/2012 1:32:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The first American vote for a man who believes that he will become literally God, an actual deity.)
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To: Jacquerie

RE: The Schmuckster’s bill still stinks.

What really surprised and disappointed me was Speaker John Boehner throwing his support behind this bill.

I thought he had better sense and a greater love of freedom than that.

Who called him a conservative again?


37 posted on 05/22/2012 1:33:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: ansel12

RE: These are the most disgusting form of foreign scum, not Americans.

I’ll agree that they are scum IF they purposely DO HARM to America.

What harm have these people done to America other than prevent the government from taking their hard earned money?


38 posted on 05/22/2012 1:36:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind

Making laws (fences) to keep citizens in...Shades of the USSR.....what makes those arrogant SOB’s think they can steal money from non-citizens.....greedy bunch of old geezers and witches....


39 posted on 05/22/2012 1:36:39 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: SeekAndFind
Under Marxism, all property is theft.
40 posted on 05/22/2012 1:40:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
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