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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; EternalVigilance
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. - 2 Ch 7:14

One has to wonder if we in America are willing to do just that? We are left in America with a mere remnant of the Christian Nation that God has blessed in the past. Government has replaced religion as the primary source of Charity and I believe that more Americans now look to their government as their source of hope and the supplier of their needs than look to God.

I believe that God gave us Obama because that is what we, as Americans, wanted. Americans wanted a Savior of flesh and his campaign of "Hope" gave Americans a hope that Obama would be their political and social savior.

I see too many Christians who have bought into the idea that Romney can now save us from the curse that is Obama. But Obama is not the source of the curse that we are under. God is the source and Obama is merely his instrument. I do believe that if Christians turn to Romney as their source of "Hope" then 4 years of Romney will give us nothing better than the 4 years that God has given us of Obama.

Your scripture is right on the money. We must humble ourselves, pray and seek his face and turn from our evil ways. Unfortunately I don't see that happening. The GOP has voted for a candidate who has been committed to ensuring that the abortion holocaust continues and who has been committed to destroying the sanctity of marriage by giving homosexual couples the same standing to adopt children as hetrosexual married couples. Indeed, if Romney's ideas on homosexuality are adopted by this nation, then heterosexual married Christian couples will be prohibited from adopting children because they will be considered unworthy bigots and dangerous to the upbringing of their own children, let alone the children of others.

Romney is not our savior. If either Romney or Obama is elected in 2012 then I suspect we are going to be in for another rough 4 years. And if Romney is elected, then we will not have the opportunity of getting a true conservative president until 2020.

265 posted on 05/30/2012 11:26:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Indeed, if Romney's ideas on homosexuality are adopted by this nation, then heterosexual married Christian couples will be prohibited from adopting children because they will be considered unworthy bigots and dangerous to the upbringing of their own children, let alone the children of others.

This is exactly the kind of crazy crap I'm talking about.

You need to come back down to earth.

We're trying to keep a republic here.

269 posted on 05/30/2012 11:50:30 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: P-Marlowe
Romney is not our savior.

Jesus wept.

270 posted on 05/30/2012 11:52:02 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: P-Marlowe

Romney is not our savior. If either Romney or Obama is elected in 2012 then I suspect we are going to be in for another rough 4 years. And if Romney is elected, then we will not have the opportunity of getting a true conservative president until 2020.

Bears repeating with emphasis, FRiend. With Romney elected, we become the base for a party of gun grabbing, baby killing, tax raising, healthcare ransoming, homosexual advocating, bailout delivering republicans. Not only is that not the place for us, but the democrats already have that market cornered. With eight years of Romney followed by a democrat hand-off for another eight, we won't have a shot at a conservative president until 2028. Ugh.


288 posted on 05/31/2012 7:42:07 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; EternalVigilance; betty boop
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

We are left in America with a mere remnant of the Christian Nation that God has blessed in the past.

Precisely so. Below is how I see America and indeed all Western Culture these days, with emphasis:

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. - 2 Timothy 3:1-5

People who call themselves Christian and actually take God seriously, can in no way participate in or endorse homosexual behavior or any other form of sexual deviancy - all the more so those who occupy a position of religious authority. It is a visible symptom of people who have rejected God:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. - Romans 1:21-27

The chapter continues listing other symptoms of the reprobate mind which closely parallel 2 Tim 3.

I aver it does no good for people who do not take God seriously to pray for the healing of this country. We need Spiritual renewal first; we must be convicted of our sins to turn from our wicked ways.

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. - 2 Ch 7:14

It always comes down to "Who do you believe?" - God, self, relative, authority, committee, counsel, etc.

As long as Americans are mostly not believing God, the country will continue to decline because it is way beyond anything that can be repaired by mere mortal men.

The one thing I was praying for throughout the primary was a President who would kneel on his knees before God, one I could join in pray for this country. Perry was my guy because he had a history of doing just that. But it was not to be.

God has another plan. And He has been known to use even pagans to accomplish His will, e.g. Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar - and people who are set against His will, e.g. Herod, Caiaphas and obviously, Paul.

Future events are obscured from me and I have no apparently viable potential President to join in prayer. Obama doesn't kneel and pray to God - and his administration is the most anti-Christian, anti-Israel, pro-Islam known to me. And I do not recognize the God of LDS teaching, so I cannot join in Romney's prayers either.

But I can and do join in prayer with you and my other brothers and sisters in Christ who take God seriously even though we are not unified (yet) in how to vote this year.

People of good conscience before God can disagree. God can also use those disagreements to accomplish His will as He did with Paul and Barnabas.

Again, this country is way beyond anything that can be repaired by mere mortal men - then again, maybe it is not to be repaired.

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

292 posted on 05/31/2012 8:10:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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