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A (Virgil)'Goode' plan to save American jobs
World Net Daily ^ | 21 May 12 | WND

Posted on 05/22/2012 7:05:50 AM PDT by xzins

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As President Obama and likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney remain locked in a virtual dead heat, is there any room for a third party to make a statement or even be competitive in 2012?

That’s the hope of the Constitution Party and its nominee, Virgil Goode.

Goode says Obama’s spending is completely out of control but Republican proposals are also not good enough because he says the budget needs to be balanced now and not in a few years or a couple of generations from now.

“I would submit a balanced budget if elected president, and it would be painful,” Goode told WND.

He expects a fierce fight with Congress about cutting spending, but his plan would not focus on entitlement reforms. Instead, Goode envisions big cuts in discretionary spending – both in the defense and domestic portions of the budget. When it comes to jobs, Goode’s top priorities are to end illegal immigration and nearly put a stop to legal immigration in order to prevent foreign workers from competing with Americans for the job opportunities that exist.

“We’ve got to focus on discretionary spending, social-services programs. For instance, I’ll make sure illegals and recent immigrants don’t get food stamps,” said Goode.

Goode says he would also seek to repeal Obama administration regulations that he says are stifling job creation. He would start with the Obama health care-laws which Goode considers the most repressive to job creators. The former congressman says he is not a spoiler in the race but is a much needed voice on fiscal responsibility, ending government programs for illegal immigrants and other issues.

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To: betty boop; xzins
I so, then please explain to me how your position — and that of your like-minded coterie — isn't itself thoroughly "emotional," when you boil it all down.

Because it's an adherence to conservative principle, and not tribal loyalty to the GOP?

This should be easy for you to understand bb.

Romney's actual record declares him to be a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal.

It's that simple.

Romney did the following which proves he's not a conservative and not even a Republican. Add in his constant lying about his opponents and his own record, and our position is ALL about conservative principle, not emotion:

1. Implemented Gay Marriage
2. Supported Abortion
3. Nominated 27 out of 36 extreme left-wing Progressive Liberal judges
4. Implemented an “Assualt” Weapons ban.
5. Implemented Socialized Medicine with a $50 Abortion
6. Raised taxes/fees by $700 million.
7. Implemented a Carbon Cap and Trade system
8. Supported Amnesty for Illegals via McCain-Kennedy.
9. Supported the Brady Bill
10. Supported and forced Gay Adoption
11. Supported Global Warming.
21 posted on 05/23/2012 11:49:29 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie; betty boop

Naming a group of hot button issues with zero context certainly comes as close to an emotional appeal as is possible while retaining plausible truthiness.


22 posted on 05/23/2012 11:54:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: rmlew

I wouldn’t call anything safe. Never has a sitting _resident received so much opprobrium.


23 posted on 05/23/2012 11:56:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; betty boop
Naming a group of hot button issues with zero context certainly comes as close to an emotional appeal as is possible while retaining plausible truthiness.

No, that's his record, that's what we have to judge him on.

That and his constant lying ABOUT that record and his character assasination of his Republican, Actual Conservative opponents.

What's emotional is ignoring that record because he's got an R next to his name and running against the latest greater Evil the Democrats put up.
24 posted on 05/24/2012 8:33:07 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Records have contexts; this presents none.


25 posted on 05/24/2012 12:40:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: xzins
Romney defies the natural order, and therefore, he defies creation and its Creator.

Word. Romney will NOT get my vote.

26 posted on 05/24/2012 12:55:30 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SoConPubbie; xzins; napscoordinator; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; ThirstyMan; ...
My question: ...Please explain to me how your position — and that of your like-minded coterie — isn't itself thoroughly "emotional," when you boil it all down.

To which you replied: Because it's an adherence to conservative principle, and not tribal loyalty to the GOP.... This should be easy for you to understand bb.

Why are you imputing "tribal loyalty" to the GOP on my part, from which I resigned two years ago out of sheer disgust — because of the mounting equivocations of said party with regard to fundamental constitutional and conservative questions?

I am a registered voter in Massachusetts of "unenrolled" status. Meaning, I have no political party affiliation at all nowadays; I am politically an independent voter. Meaning: I do not carry water for the GOP; indeed, I have serious concerns about that party's evolution in recent times. (E.g., the "Big Tent" scenario, which requires the party to trash its own historical base.)

From my view as a citizen of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, any characterization of Mitt Romney as "a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal" does not comport with my understanding and experience of his tenure as governor of my state. I am frankly puzzled that such a rumor ever got "legs" to walk around on to begin with, such that you believe it.

Judging from what I have seen, this guy is no "progressive liberal." Where folks outside the state may deem him as such (for whatever peculiar reasons of their own), such a representation evinces profound ignorance about the "preferred method" of conducting the "official" State's business — given that Massachusetts is a machine-run state, much like Illinois, and California....

And the machine is not just Democrat liberal: it is outright Left-Progressive these days, bordering on anarchy....

How I long for the days of Tip O'Neill! But they are long-gone: Tip was a democratic populist; as such, he could work with a, say, Ronald Reagan to "get things done" for the people. Nowadays in Massachusetts, the machine is run by ideologues out of Harvard, MIT, and the labor unions. And they not only have an ax to grind against the historical American polity; but they want to utterly transform it — into something more congenial to their totally unhinged utopian dreams, so to construct a world in their own image. Which, whatever shortcomings one might find in a Tip O'Neill, is a completely different scenario than played in his political philosophy.

And Obama is "their guy." He's in their camp. Which is why he MUST be removed from presidential office.

You speak of Romney's "constant lying." Then you present a "list" of examples of his supposed malfeasance to support your view. But unfortunately, your "list" routinely falsifies objective reality.

Let's go through your list:

"1. [Romney] Implemented Gay Marriage."

Romney did no such thing. The Supreme Judicial Court — that is, the State Supreme Court — did that, and unilaterally.

The reason it played out that way: The gay lobbies had haunted the General Court (i.e., the Massachusetts legislature) and Senate to pass a gay marriage law literally for years. The elected legislative bodies in this state did not want to touch that issue with a ten-foot pole — no matter how sympathetic the various individuals composing those bodies might have been to "gay marriage." Reasons: (1) They did not want to risk their own reelections by casting a "yea" public vote on a matter that they knew in their heart of hearts was repugnant to a significant body of people living in their electoral districts (Massachusetts is heavily Catholic). (2) If they did cast such a vote, they risked facing a gubernatorial VETO — which would only prolong the public dispute, and put them on "the wrong side of the issue" as far as a majority of Massachusetts voters were concerned. Plus they would put themselves out of the protection of The Boston Globe, which would tirelessly lobby against any miscreant legislator or senator who would dare to cast a NAY vote against gay "marriage."

So the Massachusetts political class reverted to the "Massachusetts model": All public decisions, ideally, are not to be effected by elected, accountable bodies supposedly reflecting the public will. All important public decisions should be referred to the Courts.

In short, gay marriage in Massachusetts was not the act of the governor, or the legislature; it was a judicial decision — a decision of an unelected and unaccountable body "made law" by extra-constitutional means. (And I daresay without any serious reflection on the permissible mandates of the Massachusetts Constitution, which John Adams wrote.)

Romney could not veto an act of the state supreme court, not like he could veto an act of the state legislature. The governor's powers do not constitutionally reach that far.

The governor's powers in Massachusetts are actually quite weak (and deliberately so) as compared with the powers of the chief executive in most other states. For the simply reason that the "machine" here prefers to get the public business (especially if it's socially divisive) done through unelected and unaccountable judicial courts.

2. [Romney] Supported Abortion

To this point, all I ask is for a direct quote from Romney in substantiation of your claim that he actively supports abortion. One that goes to the merits of the argument, not a statement in which he attempts to differentiate himself from any other person's claim in the matter (e.g., Teddy Kennedy's —who is probably roasting in Hell right about now....)

3. [Romney] Nominated 27 out of 36 extreme left-wing Progressive Liberal judges

I've mentioned this in the past, a couple of times by now. But I'll go another round with you on this question (evidently you didn't credit my last two posts on this subject). That fact is, the political machine in Massachusetts knows that it conducts its business with far greater felicity under a weak executive. The fact is, the governor of Massachusetts cannot make any direct appointment to any court in the Commonwealth. That is, he cannot nominate his own choice of candidates. Nominees for all judicial vacancies are selected by an unelected "governor's council." The governor is restricted to the choices advanced by this (unelected and thus unaccountable) body. Which puts the governor — if he is at all politically "conservative" — in the position of selecting the least worst candidates for the bench.

4. [Romney] Implemented an “Assualt” Weapons ban.

This is news to me. Of course, in Massachusetts, an "assault weapon" is any "scary looking" firearm, including child's toys. All firearms are "scary" to your average person living in Massachusetts — particularly among some of my dear women friends....

5. [Romney] Implemented Socialized Medicine with a $50 Abortion

So you are saying that Romney is the "Machiavelli" who engineered and single-handedly passed "Romneycare?" This does not compute. The legislature was agitating to "do something" BIG. Probably the only reason what they effected wasn't worse than it was, was because of fear of Romney's veto on points.

The fact is, Republican governors in Massachusetts in recent times — I'm including Bill Weld here — simply do not have the power to override the ideological supremacy and resources of Progressive Left ideology.

6. [Romney] Raised taxes/fees by $700 million.

This is news to me. He cut marginal income tax rates. He raised certain fees — but the sort of fees that were optional for any citizen to bear. The income tax, of course, is never "optional."

7. [Romney] Implemented a Carbon Cap and Trade system

He did??? WOW. That's really news to me. Kindly fill me in on these details, which I seem to have missed somehow.

Arggh. As for items 8 through 11 on your list: I do not know what planet such events may have occurred on. But I do not recall any of them having occurred here in Massachusetts, under Romney's tenure as governor.

But perhaps you can supply further details, to show me what I may have "missed," as a concerned (and conservative) citizen of this Commonwealth.

In short, I just get the feeling that "you guys" are making up "stuff" as you go along.

To reach the point you want to make, but won't confess to: You deplore Romney's theology, and just can't get passed that, no, not even to save your own life, and the lives of your progeny.... And that is the long and the short of the present question....

There is a word for that sort of exercise: VANITY.

Well, again: JMHO FWIW.

Which I imagine is perfect "DIDDLEY-SQUAT" to you. For you seem to be so SURE of yourselves....

Which brings up another word: unholy PRIDE....

Be carefull of how you judge this man; for the elements of your judgment will assuredly redound on you personally, on the Day to come....

We have our Lord's promise with respect to precisely this matter....

Thank you so much for writing.

27 posted on 05/25/2012 6:16:08 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop; SoConPubbie; P-Marlowe; napscoordinator; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; ...

I originally wrote something to the effect that those who are voting for someone whose positions they oppose, because they feel backed into a corner, are voting emotionally and not on their principles.

My memory does say that might not apply to you, Sister Betty, since you’ve been positive toward Romney throughout the primary season, although he might not have been your favorite. I’ve attributed that in a past discussion with you to your Massachusetts citizenship and the likelihood that you’d voted for him as governor and had overcome the cognitive dissonance years before the ABO’s here on FR.

So, while I don’t accept your apologetics for Romney that you listed for SoConPubbie — we’ve had that discussion before I won’t call your attention to hundreds of articles and posts that disagree with your facts (go to the RomneyTruthFile) — I will acknowledge that your support for Romney, given that it is long-standing, probably is not emotional on your part. You have had time to work through the dissonance and actually come down philosophically supportive of Romney.

I can’t agree with you, but it does appear you’ve decided that Romney truly is not a danger.

Do you consider Romney to be a conservative?


28 posted on 05/25/2012 8:18:32 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of Our Troops Pray they Win every Fight!)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
29 posted on 05/25/2012 8:54:54 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins
Thank you for the interesting proposal, dear brother in Christ!
30 posted on 05/25/2012 8:56:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
In short, gay marriage in Massachusetts was not the act of the governor, or the legislature; it was a judicial decision — a decision of an unelected and unaccountable body "made law" by extra-constitutional means. (And I daresay without any serious reflection on the permissible mandates of the Massachusetts Constitution, which John Adams wrote.)

Romney could not veto an act of the state supreme court, not like he could veto an act of the state legislature. The governor's powers do not constitutionally reach that far.


So if the Supreme Court of MA decided it wanted to pass a law declaring that all first born males had to be given to the state of MA Romney would just have to go along, right?

No matter how illegal, no matter how unconstitional, no matter how immoral that decision was, Romney, in your opinion, had no other choice but to implement what ever the Supreme Court legislated (and I choose that word with care)?
31 posted on 05/25/2012 11:49:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop
I've mentioned this in the past, a couple of times by now. But I'll go another round with you on this question (evidently you didn't credit my last two posts on this subject). That fact is, the political machine in Massachusetts knows that it conducts its business with far greater felicity under a weak executive. The fact is, the governor of Massachusetts cannot make any direct appointment to any court in the Commonwealth. That is, he cannot nominate his own choice of candidates. Nominees for all judicial vacancies are selected by an unelected "governor's council." The governor is restricted to the choices advanced by this (unelected and thus unaccountable) body. Which puts the governor — if he is at all politically "conservative" — in the position of selecting the least worst candidates for the bench

And yet Romney still had a choice. He could still refuse to accept whatever lousy, rotten, left-wing, Extremists that the legislature sent to him.

But as usual, as his MO is, he would rather make excuses, just like his supporters, and blame the process or someone else and pretend he did not have a choice in the matter.

But bottom line, HE HAD A CHOICE.
32 posted on 05/25/2012 11:52:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop
So you are saying that Romney is the "Machiavelli" who engineered and single-handedly passed "Romneycare?" This does not compute. The legislature was agitating to "do something" BIG. Probably the only reason what they effected wasn't worse than it was, was because of fear of Romney's veto on points.

The fact is, Republican governors in Massachusetts in recent times — I'm including Bill Weld here — simply do not have the power to override the ideological supremacy and resources of Progressive Left ideology.


Once again, EXCUSES for what Romney proudly calls his healthcare plan and there are a myriad of YouTube videos out there, many posted multiple times on FreeRepublic, of Romney proudly asserting this and proudly stating how he is in favor of the individual mandate even at the Federal Level.

And your problem with regards to your excuse concerning Republican Governors not having the necessary power to override the left's plans is that this was Romney's plan all along.
33 posted on 05/25/2012 11:55:51 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop
6. [Romney] Raised taxes/fees by $700 million.

This is news to me. He cut marginal income tax rates. He raised certain fees — but the sort of fees that were optional for any citizen to bear. The income tax, of course, is never "optional."


Romney oversaw millions in fee hikes as Massachusetts governor (August, 2007 Article)

Mitt Romney’s ‘Taxachusetts’ Economic Policies

Mitt Romney Gave Massachusetts a $700 Million Increase in Fees and Taxes
34 posted on 05/26/2012 12:04:06 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop
7. [Romney] Implemented a Carbon Cap and Trade system

He did??? WOW. That's really news to me. Kindly fill me in on these details, which I seem to have missed somehow. Arggh. As for items 8 through 11 on your list: I do not know what planet such events may have occurred on. But I do not recall any of them having occurred here in Massachusetts, under Romney's tenure as governor.

But perhaps you can supply further details, to show me what I may have "missed," as a concerned (and conservative) citizen of this Commonwealth.

In short, I just get the feeling that "you guys" are making up "stuff" as you go along.


Governor Romney's Climate Protection Plan

Gore Praises Romney's 'Climate Protection Plan'

Romney: Earth is warming, emissions cuts needed

Exclusive: New information on Romney’s views on global warming (July 23, 2011)

Letter to NY Gov. Pataki stating he is working towards a "flexible market-based regional carbon cap and trade system"
35 posted on 05/26/2012 12:24:01 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop
4. [Romney] Implemented an “Assualt” Weapons ban.

This is news to me. Of course, in Massachusetts, an "assault weapon" is any "scary looking" firearm, including child's toys. All firearms are "scary" to your average person living in Massachusetts — particularly among some of my dear women friends....


2004: Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban

Governor Romney has a solid record of pursuing gun control measures to control crime and increase safety. He is vocally supportive of the assault weapons ban, supported a waiting period, and supports registration. While Governor he continued Massachusetts's history of gun control advocacy. In 2002, Mitt Romney stated in a debate that he supported the tough gun laws in Massachusetts and that he believed they help protect us and keep us safe. He vowed not to chip away at those laws. While in office, Governor Romney supported the Brady bill and a waiting period because it was necessary to complete...
36 posted on 05/26/2012 12:29:29 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop; xzins; P-Marlowe; napscoordinator; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head
Be carefull of how you judge this man; for the elements of your judgment will assuredly redound on you personally, on the Day to come....

We have our Lord's promise with respect to precisely this matter....


It is exactly that reason, the Judgement Day, and how God will judge my actions and whether I have been honest both with myself and with others that compells me to be honest about Mitt Romney

It is for the same reasons that I cannot vote for Mitt Romney, and in addition, because he continually and serially lies, both about his own record and about his Republican opponents.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

37 posted on 05/26/2012 12:39:05 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: betty boop

Just, dang.

I looked in my “Shorter Oxford” two volume set for “eloquent”. Your picture was there.


38 posted on 05/26/2012 5:26:40 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: xzins; SoConPubbie; P-Marlowe; napscoordinator; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head; wmfights; ...
Do you consider Romney to be a conservative?

I would characterize Romney as right-of-center on the political spectrum. Thus he is NOT a man of the Left. Neither is he as conservative as I am, or you are. His preferred governing style is consensus-building as the most efficacious way to get things done. I believe he sees politics as the art of the possible, not as the art of constructing a doctrinally preferred "perfect world." (Which I suspect is what you and your group of like-minded Romney detractors is seeking.)

In short, he is a political realist, not any kind of ideologist.

Plus he is a man who extends genuine kindness and respect toward others, which you are absolutely blind to. I consider him to be a good man, a man of upright character. I don't think he is a serial liar; I think you take his statements out of context, thus to justify calling him a liar. I simply do not recognize the person you describe as the real Mitt Romney.

So of course I do not consider him "dangerous." What we have in the Oval Office now IS dangerous. Terribly, fearsomely dangerous. And I worry that, thanks to people like you, that man will be re-elected to a second term as President of the United States.

FWIW.

39 posted on 05/26/2012 8:18:39 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: KC Burke

Thanks KC for your very kind words.


40 posted on 05/26/2012 8:21:36 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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