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To: rdcbn
-- I can't believe this fact has been ignored --

It's an interesting fact, but it doesn't change the self defense outcome. Martin doesn't get any [more] right to deck strangers who annoy him, when he is out in the wild where you have no obligation to submit to questioning. You still have to listen to annoying jerks from time to time, panhandling, cussing, "hey you" stuff, and so forth.

However, I agree that it changes the "profiled" and "followed" question. Martin should have been given a clue that the association does this, albeit usually via police as proxy.

Where can I see a picture of the sign?

78 posted on 05/21/2012 4:38:05 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
— I can't believe this fact has been ignored —
It's an interesting fact, but it doesn't change the self defense outcome. Martin doesn't get any [more] right to deck strangers who annoy him, when he is out in the wild where you have no obligation to submit to questioning. You still have to listen to annoying jerks from time to time, panhandling, cussing, “hey you” stuff, and so forth.

However, I agree that it changes the “profiled” and “followed” question. Martin should have been given a clue that the association does this, albeit usually via police as proxy.

Where can I see a picture of the sign?


There was a picture of the No Trespassing/ Visitors required to submit to questioning by residents sign posted on the gate of the community that was published in one of the early local news outlets in early to mid March.

79 posted on 05/21/2012 5:13:35 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Cboldt
As far as the

“Martin should have been given a clue that the association does this, albeit usually via police as proxy.”

It was the responsibility of the women who hosted Treyvon and his father as guests in the private gated community to inform her guests as to the rules guests must follow and expected conduct of guests while visiting in the private gated community.

Furthermore, the law states that when you have a prominently placed sign on the entrance gate of private property, it is the responsibility of the person entering that private property to inform themselves regarding the rules and entry onto the property constitutes implicit acceptance of those rules by the guest.

The media has been explicit that Treyvon and Daddy entered the private gated community as guests of Daddy's girl friend so they had legally valid, fair warning that they must cooperate with any resident who wished to approach them and inquire as to who they were visiting and what the purpose of their visit was.

Obviously, by all media accounts, it is undisputed that Treyvon violated all of the rules guests must follow in order to be admitted as guests of the gated community.

80 posted on 05/21/2012 5:26:49 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Cboldt
You can use Google Earth to see the signs. There is one on each of the two entrances, on the right side of the driveways. I believe I also saw a picture of them somewhere, but I don't remember where.

While you can't read the signs from Google Earth, they appear to be of this design:


85 posted on 05/21/2012 6:06:04 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Cboldt

I’m an idiot... I just did a google image search, and here is the sign..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57401613/study-holding-gun-increases-perception-of-threat/


86 posted on 05/21/2012 6:10:02 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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