Romney's Faith, Silent but Deep

New York Times ^ | May 19, 2012 | Jodi Kantor

[greyfoxx39]

When Mitt Romney embarked on his first political race in 1994, he also slipped into a humble new role in the Mormon congregation he once led.

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Mr. Romney’s penchant for rules mirrors that of his church, where he once excommunicated adulterers and sometimes discouraged mothers from working outside the home.

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Clayton M. Christensen, a business professor at Harvard and a friend from church, said the question that drove the Sunday school classes — how to apply Mormon gospel in the wider world — also drives Mr. Romney’s life.

When Mr. Romney’s former Sunday school students listen to him campaign, they sometimes hear echoes of messages he delivered to them years before: beliefs that stem at least in part from his faith, in a way that casual observers may miss. He is not proselytizing but translating, they say — taking powerful ideas and lessons from the church and applying them in another realm.

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In Mormonism, salvation depends in part on constantly making oneself purer and therefore more godlike.

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But many also see a gap between his religious ideals — and his political tactics. The chasm has been hard to reconcile, even though people close to him say he is serious about trying to do so.

[MHGinTN]

You make several false assumptions in your insulting post. The media want the milt rominy campaign to be about MormonISM. It isn't. In my estimation America will not survive four more years of little barry bastard commie. That is not at all addressing MormonISM or Romney's reality as a faux melchizedek high priest of MormonISM. That you would stoop to try and mischaracterize what I posted is a troubling indication of something I will not address on this thread. I am focused on trying to buy time for the Republic, more than I will foicus upon Romney being a member of a false chrsitianity religion. Am I happy with Romney? You know I'm not at all happy about the GOPe nominee. So don't use that red herring garbage with me.

And as tyto the childish insult of 'did your Mormon friend succeed in converting you', such sleaze is a clear indication of bitterness in your heart. You know from yeaqrs of my posting opposition to the cult that Satan isn't going to convert me to MormonISM. But I will exercise my right to vote according to what I believe is a last chance to hold off the collapse.

[greyfoxx39]

Thanks, caww.

The link I posted was to only one of a four part expose. Here is the link to the entire article:

Life after mormonism and the double-blind

"The book [available from Amazon] is titled, "The Pattern of the Double-Bind in Mormonism." Part I describes The Nature of The Pattern and the Double-Bind; it defines and gives examples of what The Pattern is, how it is used in different stages - and what results are incurred in each stage. Parts II and III present personal experiences of The Pattern in the lives of former members of the Mormon church. The last section, Part IV, gives a Summary of The Pattern and its antidote ... in How to Free Oneself from The Pattern.

[greyfoxx39]

Stuff it Marvin. Insulting posts are your signature on FR, as many will attest to.

To quote your loving words to me, "But I will exercise my right to vote according to what I believe"....I will excercise my right to keep on fighting heresy.

You have the option of ignoring my threads and my posts or getting your shorts in a twist again.

[svcw]

Trying to figure this out.
You know mormonism.
You know Romney is one of the highest of the high in mormonism.
You know very well what that means to Romney’s governance. How can you not know then that Romney will be different than BHO as president.

[MHGinTN]

Okay, I'll offer a little thought experiment:

Which of the two candidates most likely to be elected actually has millions of closely affiliated families to whom he is committed to insure their lives are not threatened with riot, mayhem, chaos, and the death of the free nation we live in and establishment of a socialist model which would end religious freedom and especially endanger Christian practices?

[MHGinTN]

Okay, I'll offer a little thought experiment:

Which of the two candidates most likely to be elected actually has millions of closely affiliated families to whom he is committed to insure their lives are not threatened with riot, mayhem, chaos, and the death of the free nation we live in and establishment of a socialist model which would end religious freedom and especially endanger Christian practices?

[caww]

Thank you and I’ve marked for later reading tonight....Impressed with how it’s written....and again depicts the standard “brainwashing” which deceptiviely occurs in many cults, false religions and occults...of which Mormonism is one. Only in this case it’s quite revealing as they depict the stages and the progression.

I look forward to reading this further.

[netmilsmom]

Do tell.

[unkus]

Excellent!

[svcw]

We know that both mormonism and marxism are anti-Christian.

[svcw]

We know that one is committed to his own dictatorship.
We know that one is committed to his own godhood.

[caww]

but we're also the ones who can truly fix it.

This cannot be "fixed" any time soon as there simply aren't enough willing to take the stands needed.

When you say "we" can fix this just who do you mean?

This 'nation' isn't in need of Restoration.....the 'political system' needs an overhaul. Our people know the meaning of freedom and most understand it was not free...they also know what to do if given the freedom to do so.

George Washingtons statements were not a Covenant....they were statements made by our first President for and about our nation recognizing that without the hand of the Almighty this nation would not have come to be and why it was dedicated to God by our founders. It was honoring God for His hand in the affairs of men.

The "rules of order" are written for us thru the Constitution, Declaration of Independence and the Federalists Papers.....all of which are basically grounded in the scriptures....and our governance no longer is willing to uphold these.

We are a Christ-less nation more and more and are battling that which calls evil good and good evil. Our Government is corrupt...."religion" will not save it....we have far too many foreign religions in this country for any one religion to rise to the top....instead there will be an ingathering of the faiths, which is dangerous, and will lead us in the wrong direction.

Romney is already being heralded as the one to solve the issue with Islam in our country....as Islam and Mormonism have been sharing the same bed for a time now. But it will not be as most imagine possible and we are seriously mistaken to think otherwise.

The end result of the agendas now being pushed will not solve this nations problems. ......there are powers that be on an international scale which will continue to weaken this country....and IMO until these are recognized this nation will not recover from it's fall.

Romeny is totally a Globalist in his thinking and that will indeed be the way he takes this nation....no different than Obamas agenda.

[caww]

This is the choice:

GOP Socialist and LDS cultist vs. Democrat Socialist and Liberation Theology cultist

There is no lesser of these two Evils IMO. I will vote against both.

[SZonian]

FTL:

"...faith can serve as a shortcut to truth, but it cannot justify persistence in error; faith can help us learn the truth, but it cannot alter tangible facts."

Thanks for the link, just wow. I don't even know where to begin.

[unkus]

FUBO!!!

[GBA]

I don't disagree with anything you wrote in your post, except that I've come to believe you have underestimated Washington and our Founding Fathers and their understanding.

The rest? We're on the same page and more or less agree on our situation. Little by little, Americans broke the deal our FF's made, especially the greatest generation's kids, and we're on our own now.

Their parents won that time's battle against evil and then more or less inherited the world.

So evil bides its time and lays down the necessary groundwork using the standard, well documented techniques.

When the time was right, the greatest generation's kid's generation were like the little kids in the horror movie where some evil tricks them into opening the door.

And it looks to me like all hell has been breaking loose around here ever since.

That probably sounds crazy, maybe it is, but what is crazier still, is that I think we, as in "We, the People" can stop it if enough of us understand the problem, as you clearly seem to, and fight to stop further damage and fight to undo and fix current damage and turn it around.

If we seek the help we need, I think/believe miracles can/will happen. If we, the people, don't get that help, consequences will have their way with us. We put our faith in the wrong things and places.

It's not too late for the cure, but either way we're in for a rough ride. Our infection is widespread.

Interesting times, huh? To me, it feels like we are about to be tested.

You seem to know way more about Mormonism than I do. I'm sure I have a Mormon Bible somewhere, but I never got very far reading it.

[caww]

I do know about Mormonism but not from personal expereince as many here who post do. But they’ve been wonderful to assist when I have questions....they should know...they’ve been it and come out...thank God!

I have studied the cults though and the fallout which many expereince when leaving them. It’s nasty business playing on the edges of darkness and too many think they can “handle it”.

Bottom line read a Bible and Not the Mormon Bible for it’s full of errors and falshoods galore...even contradicts clear doctrines of Mormons......that’s because Smith threw the thing together so he could publish it and thereafter could not correct it....go figure!

The guy was a complete nutcase as a teenager...who would have ever thought people would take the word of a known teenage liar no less, who was involved deeply with all sorts of witchcraft and occult practices seriously?...but they do....and many do today.

The Lord tells us to flee such teachings....unfortunately because people have already rejected the truth and the true Christ of Christianity they will indeed fall for any deception.

[MHGinTN]

It is curious that when you use my name in a post it remains unobstructed, but when I used your name in a post it is zotted.