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To: Helotes
"If Obama created his own BC what comes from Hawaii won’t match what Obama put up." That's the problem for Hawaii. The possibly contemporaneous birth announcements published in both major Honolulu papers are pretty clearly based on Hawaii DOH documents generally distributed to those papers. Thus, in my view, there's almost assuredly a presumptively valid birth document on file for Obama.

But that's the rub in light of the probably fabricated "birth certificate" he's published. The birth document that's most likely on file is a Hawaiian do it yourself Certificate of Live Birth that was probably signed either by Madelyn Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham stating he was born some place other than a hospital. If that ever comes out there will be a huge firestorm, especially because he's now published a transparent fake. Thus, Hawaii will never release the real document.

31 posted on 05/19/2012 10:02:25 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper
I agree.

My mom told me over & over, “If you tell one lie, you must tell 10 more to cover it”. The end result is often a lying mass of goo blubbering like a fool.

Between Hawaiian officials & Obama, they have more lies going than even Mohammed the Liar could cover with the help of every Jinn in Arabia.

The tactic now is to STALL, STALL, STALL beyond November, when the questions become moot.

42 posted on 05/19/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: libstripper

You’re most likely correct about the “do-it-yourself” COLB being the thing that is actually on file. Especially considering that, apparently, Gramma called in the birth to both Honolulu papers at the time. Hawaii specifically allows parents/grandparents to self-file because so many babies are born on boats, in the air, and on the countrysides of the islands.
At some point the COLB was probably modified by a parent, also permitted, To show a name change. I believe Obamuzzie could not have gone to school in Indonesia unless he was adopted by Sotero. And his birth document would have had to be updated later or he would never have gotten back into Hawaii or gotten a passport..When such a change is made the old info is lined out, not obliterated, initialed by the changer person, with the new info penciled in adjacent.
I believe that COLB reflects his Indonesian name, which would be his legal name unless he has some proof he changed back. Part of the AZ demand has to be that Obamuzzie verify his legal name. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if if he’s holding office under an assumed name nothing he’s signed is any good legally, not binding on anybody, and is probly out-and-out fraud.

My own son was born in HI not long after whoever Obamuzzie is, was and so I am really familiar with what proper birth record docs are supposed to be. We have them all. There was a typo on my son’s original which we noticed as soon as we got the first copy so we did the procedure to get it corrected. There is no convenient way to request a copy of the original form , the one that would be signed by a doctor and hospital person.——no check box on the doc req form. To get such a thing one must request it specifically in writing and the copy will always be a photostat (negative)(another reason Obamuzzie’s is not legit). It’s possible to request the copy and have it sent directly to an interested person like a security agency but that can only be done by the person, the parent, or the court. If the Hawaiians do anything else they’re breaking their own law.
Interestingly, there is no way a HI govt person is going to make an un-authorized change to Obamuzzies original——on the off-chance that there is already a copy out there somewhere——that could be a career-ender. It has always sounded to me that Obamuzzie has no actual idea how to get a true copy of his original——he just gets the “certification of live birth” which is the re-typed short form. In any case no amount of “statement “ from the Hawaiians means anything-——just a copy of the original document is all that matters and all they can do as a matter of evidence.


127 posted on 05/19/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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