Posted on 05/19/2012 9:29:10 AM PDT by James Thomas
Congratulations to Breitbart.com for reporting a story the site clearly didn’t care to publish. It seems that in 1991, Barack Obama was indeed representing himself to his literary agency as “born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
You might want to try that again without the triple-negatives.
Rush said he lied to himself. LOL......Our own guys are nutcases.
“So tell me, Placenta Man, in your opinion...Was he lying then or now?
Or is this just another ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment”
I don’t know, but you’ll notice the issue is now over whether he lied or someone lied for him, rather than solely over how it proves he’s not a natural born citizen. That’s why this thread’s headline, and birtherism in general, are misguided in pretending everything’s a “breakthrough.” If nothing else, you oversell yourself.
It’s one thing to take a preponderance of evidence—Kenya claims him as a native son, members of his family may or may not have said or implied he’s born in Kenya, he and Michelle do things you think are un-American, the purported birth certificate looks fake, Hawaiian officials appear to be covering for him, Bill Richardson called him an immigrant or something—as suggesting he’s ineligible. It’s another thing to trumpet each and every new story as THE breakthrough that finally PROVES Obama can’t be president. It got old long ago.
By the way, I get how the MSM missed this story, but where have the birthers been on the publisher’s bio? You can comb through moldy books on 18th century maritime law and the personal correspondence of the author of the 14th amendment but don’t bother reading the flaps of his memoir?
Easy opportunity for blackmail, serving the agenda of the gatekeepers of the truth.
Last laughs are always best
“You might want to try that again without the triple-negatives.”
I only see a double-negative, in “you don’t want no one listening to you.” And what’s wrong with that? If your school marm told you never to use double-negatives, she was lied. They’re perfectly acceptable, so long as the resulting logic is what I intended to say. You don’t want to lose everyone’s trust.
“she was lied”
Woops, I got stuck between “she was lying” and “she lied.” But at least now you have a legitimate mistake to attack.
“But the moral of the story is about ‘liars’ and ‘false alarms’ of which so far it is the birthers who have done neither.”
LOL.
I don’t know...
Now that is a startling admission. Do you know anything?
...you’ll notice the issue is now over whether he lied or someone lied for him...
Oh, so in actuality you're going with the ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment.
... rather than solely over how it proves he’s not a natural born citizen.
Farah pegged you perfectly!....Talk about burying the lead!
“He lied and made false alarms...are the birthers being untruthful or are they asking for the truth?”
The boy, lied, yes, but I’m not saying birthers are lying. You can make false alarms without realizing you’re doing so. The point is that birthers’ false alarms make the public less likely to trust both themselves and the anti-Obama movement in general in future.
That this is a false alarm may be demonstrated by the infinitely more likely explanation proffered by most conservative pundits: i.e. that Obama and/or the publisher lied to make him more interesting for being not another boring white guy.
I think BOTH are pretty much the case. He lied about being born in HI, and he gave Ayers belated high-fives for his terroristic demolition work....and spoke aloud that he wished he could have been there. I gather from the gist of your arguement that we should ignore the BC issue in case we might be wrong.....but by golly, if we get a whiff of some SECOND transgression of his,
T-H-E-N we’ll REALLY hang his boney little butt! That seems like a chicken drawing a series of proverbial lines in the sand, and whimping out each time the line is brazenly crossed....but that’s just silly old me.
Ah, but that's just it! It wasn't on the flaps of his memoir, was it.
It was from...@a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel...
Nice try, but that dog don't hunt. It's been eaten, tail and all.
you must mean publisher(s) since they also use the same promo for “dreams from my supposed father”.
And then of course there are the associated press articles from 2004 beaming about the “Kenyan-born” Obama being elected to the Senate. The Houston Chronicle trumpeted the same exact thing.
We have a pattern of behavior seriously undermining any credibility this man ever had with the “squishy” moderate voters.
That this is a false alarm may be demonstrated by the infinitely more likely explanation proffered by most conservative pundits: i.e. that Obama and/or the publisher lied to make him more interesting for being not another boring white guy.
I think you realize exactly what you're doing.
Once again...Talk about burying the lead!
“Now that is a startling admission. Do you know anything?”
Do you know everything? Two can play at that game.
“Oh, so in actuality you’re going with the ‘Blame Someone Else/It’s Not My Fault’ moment”
No, that makes no sense. All I did was rephrase the choice you gave me, adding how notable it is that there’s a choice, instead of it being “breakthrough” evidence that Obama’s ineligible. I might add, as well, that the choice is larger than you indicated, in that there’s confusion over why he might be lying now, or the publisher was lying then. Is it to cover up ineligibility, or to cover up how he/they tried to make him seem more interesting to sell books? Or was it something else, entirely?
“Farah pegged you perfectly!....Talk about burying the lead!”
Uh, no, nothing was buried. You didn’t dig up any telling clue. My original post was all about how birthers lack common sense, are desperate, and pretend they have breakthrough evidence when they don’t. From the beginning I made it pretty clear—and I’m not sure how I could make it more clear without explicitly saying “This doesn’t prove Obama’s not a natural born citizen”—I don’t think this proves Obama’s not a natural born citizen.
Birthers want to pretend it’s yet more proof, or only highly suggestive evidence, but that claim is severly undercut by how fast you turn it into a competition amongst various overlapping dichotomies: “Was it the publisher’s mistake, or was it a lie?/Was it his or the publishers lie/Was he lying then, or is he lying now?”
“I gather from the gist of your arguement that we should ignore the BC issue in case we might be wrong”
No, I think you are wrong. It’s also not that it should be ignored, but that it’s been given quite enough attention, beyond propriety. Even if birtherism were right, there’s a more appropriate way to go about it than pretending every little bit of evidence that at best raises more questions than it answers is a slam dunk.
Two can play at that game.
My advice, stop playing checkers when everybody else is playing chess.
My original post was all about how birthers lack common sense, are desperate, and pretend they have breakthrough evidence when they don’t.
Placenta Man strikes again, trying to make a bloody mess of things.
“It seems that in 1991, Barack Obama was indeed representing himself to his literary agency as “born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
Making it reasonable to assume that Barry applied to Occidental, Columbia and Harvard as a foreign student and as a result gained entry and student aid.
“Ah, but that’s just it! It wasn’t on the flaps of his memoir, was it.”
Oh, boy. That was a joke, in case you didn’t notice by my reference to “moldy books” and such. The point was this is presumably more readily available than the centuries-plus old material birthers link to on a daily basis.
“Nice try, but that dog don’t hunt. It’s been eaten, tail and all.”
The way you say that, it seems you think my asking why birthers missed this was intended somehow to malign it as evidence. But that was a legitimate question, without ulterior motive. I swear. Seriously, given how obsessively and tirelessly birthers hunt their quarry, how did this take so long to emerge?
And who claimed that this was a slam dunk?
A full glass eventually spills over the rim, doesn't it?
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