Evangelicals: Mitt Romney hit right note

Politico ^ | 5/12/2012 | Ginger Gibson

[Elsie]

Second, Mormons, unlike commies and radical muslims, don't have a history of trying to destroy the United States.

Oh?

 

...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

 

 

[Elsie]

Second, Mormons, unlike commies and radical muslims, don't have a history of trying to destroy the United States.

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/1844_1877/deseret_state_eom.htm

[rogue yam]

Sigh. You are exactly right. It's appalling how many on this once great site don't agree.

I think more FReepers agree than not. It is just that the virulently anti-Romney ones are more vociferous and relentless, and enjoy more freedom of action.

I think that this is bad for FR and bad for America so I have been pushing back.

[ansel12]

Elsie, you make it extremely difficult to stay on a thread when you do this to it. To read other people’s posts or to find them becomes almost impossible.

[Norm Lenhart]

What absolutely infuriates me with this whole thing is this...

FR is IMO, generally a place where people come to be free of the PC BS and magical thinking permeating the rest of the planet. It’ a harbor and safe haven. Many of us will disagree strongly over issues both substantive and trivial to the point of virtual screamfests. But such are based on personal conviction on what we believe to be true and have facts to support.

I have had wars with a couple people on this thread on different issues, but at least they were based on what each of us had evidence to support. There was no magical thinking or flat out liberal propaganda involved.

With the Mormon thing...

This thread, among the many like it on FR is filled with non-Mormons posting pages of docs (as you have) or presenting logical arguments based on those and other facts (as I and others have) providing proof positive in indisputable terms that the very founders of Mormonism (and those very documents with their names/words attached), separate the Mormon faith from the Christian faith.

And people will lie to our faces and claim that words do not mean what they clearly say. This is the behavior of liberals. It is the behavior of people who created the problem that America now finds itself in. It is in no way representative of people who value truth and honesty.

And it torques my tail that they think that by screaming “Bigot” and stomping their feet that they will make their fantasies into the ‘truth’.

If I wanted to enjoy that kind of nonsense, I’d go to DU or the DNC website where such rewriting of reality is the order of the day. But instead, I have to read it on a site that stands as the antithesis of it.

WHAT is wrong with this picture?

[rogue yam]

IOW it was pure political bullshit.

Could be. Either way it was well crafted.

[Elsie]

...our Founders intent for this Nation.

Oh?

 

THE MAYFLOWER COMPACT

In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are under-written, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together into a civil body politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the eleventh of November [New Style, November 21], in the year of the reign of our sovereign lord, King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Dom. 1620.

Signing the Mayflower Compact by Edward Percy Moran

John Carver William Bradford Edward Winslow William Brewster Isaac Allerton Miles Standish John Alden Samuel Fuller Christopher Martin William Mullins

William White James Chilton John Craxton John Billington Richard Warren John Howland Steven Hopkins Edward Tilly John Tilly Francis Cook

Thomas Rogers Thomas Tinker John Rigdale Edward Fuller John Turner Francis Eaton Moses Fletcher Digery Priest Thomas Williams Gilbert Winslow

Edmond Margeson Peter Brown Richard Bitteridge Richard Clark Richard Gardiner John Allerton Thomas English Edward Doten Edward Liester John Goodman George Soule

	www.pilgrimhall.net

[Goreknowshowtocheat]

I do.

[CatherineofAragon]

"You say this but it's not really so. Do a 180 from one day to the next? No, that hasn't happened."

Maybe you've been busy the past couple of days. Romney said on Thursday that it was the right of sodomites to adopt children. On Friday, he backed away from it and said he meant something else.

[CatherineofAragon]

Pree-cisely

[CatherineofAragon]

Pree-cisely

[jjotto]

Interesting thing about that interview: Mickelson was predisposed to support Romney against McCain (this was 2007).

Mickleson brought up Constitutional scholar (and Mormon philosopher) Cleon Skousen because Romney had him as a teacher. Romney understands and rejects the conservative view of the Constitution.

Mickelson was then inviting Romney to distance himself from his previous pro-abortion position and was shocked at Romney’s response.

Romney’s pathological lying about hidden cameras puts him in a category with Bill Clinton.

[CatherineofAragon]

Um, yes, I’m familiar with Luther. But I thought you were speaking of something a tad more recent than the Renaissance period.

[ansel12]

I answered a question for you in post 165, I hope it was educational for you, and that you can drop that fake approach in future posting. Post 180 was in answer to you as well.

I was going to quote one of your posts from this thread about lying, or dishonesty and how it doesn’t help FR, but I can’t find the post in this mess of a thread, still you should take a look at the honesty of your efforts to mislead and obfuscate about Romney.

[Elsie]

WHAT is wrong with this picture?

The demons are hissing!

---

Matthew 17:14-21

 

 When they came to the crowd, a man came up to Jesus, falling on his knees before Him and saying, “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is a lunatic and is very ill; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. “I brought him to Your disciples, and they could not cure him.” And Jesus answered and said, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him here to Me.” And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon came out of him, and the boy was cured at once.

Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not drive it out?” And He said to them, “Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. [“But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”]

[rogue yam]

Obama is running essentially unopposed and all of Romney's opponents have dropped out except for Ron Paul who Romney continues to thrash in every contest.

Get real

[MacMattico]

I even like your answer! I couldn't think of what reason you could give for having that screen name. I just liked it. Go rogue yam!

(Now don't disappoint me in the future! Ha ha)

[rogue yam]

They changed their faith. It happens.

[citizen]

Huh? A Democrat primary in November??

[Elsie]

So; you are NOT prepared to have Ron Paul as President?

Why; I might ask?