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To: Jeff Head
As to religion, if you must make it about that, for those who want to know what a long time convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes, who has been bombarded by all the anti-LDS material since considering joining and since doing so, read this:

Jeff,

I'd hardly call it anti-LDS material, as if it has no substance.

A large part of it is sourced directly from LDS documents and the bible and it is posted by, at least some, ex-mormons who were committed Mormons at one time.

From what I have read of the postings showing the teachings of Mormonism, (never having been in the Mormon church), it has been, for the most part, exhaustively complete, even-handed, as objective as it can be, and fair.
238 posted on 05/08/2012 9:41:44 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Actually not.

Many quotes are taken out of context. A lot of information is sourced from the Journal of Discourses and presented as if though it is current Church doctrine, when in most cases it is not, and other cases never was.

When I try and point this out, I am bombared with endless other quotes of similar nature, rediculing and demeaning language, and told I am wrogn, a liar, or decieving people.

Quotes are taken, for example from Joseph Smith when he was in the midst of trying to defend the Church and the people in it in Missouri in the late 1830s from mobs of people and militia, who were driven on by an “extermination order,” by the Governor, Governor Boggs at the time, which was political in its origin, and illegal and unconstitutional IMHO. It indicated that an entire group of thousands of people, men, women and children were a danger to the state, when they themselves were being plundered, raped and pillaged (ie. research the Hahns Mill Massacre), and that those same people who were being victimized were to be “driven from the state or exterminated if necessary.”

Anyhow, in the midst of his trying to organize the defense of said people, in those emotions he indicated that if people continued to do this to him and his followers, he would become as a modern Mohammed to the enemies of the Church. It was a wrong thing to say...but in the circumstances I will give him a pass.

As it was, he surrendered and they took him and arrested him and then moved into the town, pillaged it, some women were raped, some folks were killed, and the rest, about five thousand people had to leave in the dead of winter, and trek 100+ miles across the snow to the river and cross it into Illinois. The suffering and death along that trail left literally a path of blood across the state.

Their land was confiscated and there never has been any recompense for the crimes committed against them.

But, those who want to attack all things LDS, then use this quote to indicate and try and convince people that the LDS Church back then and today is somehow equated to radical Islam.

That is not fair, that is not exhaustive, and that is not complete. It is a clear liberal methodology to seperate, demean and dehumanize and thus to marginalize a whole group of people.

I have been told that I am not a Christian, as if though these people can see in my heart and judge me.

If you want to know what active, faithful LDS believe, attend a church and ask them...not people who are alienated from it and clearly have a slanted opinion of the same. I challenge you to do that and then compare the two.

For example, I had one of these so-called, very active former members tell me that they never heard the words, “Jesus Christ,” mentioned in the meetings. This is simply not true as every main meeting on Sunday has the passing and partaking of the Lord’s Sacrement, which is blessed before hand in a prayer, spoken into a microphone over the loud speaker system, wherein the brad and water or blessed in the name of Jesus Christ that all who partake of it might remeber the suffering of the Son of God, Jesus Christ and always remember Him. This occurs in every sacrement meeting each week in each meeting all year except during conferences which are held 4 times a year.

In addition, every opening and closing prayer is said int he name of Jesus Christ. Before the sacrement is passed there is alweays a “sacrement” song about the atonement of Jesus Christ. Finally, talks from members of the church are given and in most acses one or more are centered on some aspect of Christ’s teachings.

So much for them having been “very active.”

In addition, if the tone of those postings, which is ridiculing, mocking, and demeaning is what you would call “fair,” then you and I have a different definition of the word, and if that is your definition, then there really is not much more to say on the matter between us other than simply leave you with this:

My Wintness for Jesus Christ
http://www.jeffhead.com/jlhwitness.htm


240 posted on 05/08/2012 10:09:19 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (wwwOh ...now I see..dragonsfuryseries.com))
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