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To: fieldmarshaldj
It wasn't exactly "few white people", but rather "few English or French speaking white people". There were a plentitude of fellows from nations in what we can call "The Hapsburg Empire" (which interestingly enough included the Dutch speaking folks in what is now Northern Belgium).

The Hapsburg interests were in the practice of hiring all sorts of fellows from just anywhere to DO STUFF, so they show up, so it's not just Spaniards wandering around out there.

The landscape is littered with Spanish mills, mines, cabins, special breeds of animals ~ all leftover from the 1500s and 1600s ~ just not visible to us because we never bothered to look ~ our English language text books having failed to tip us off!

Now about how things get named Botetourt/Lee/Augusta ~ long before those rather large territories got identified as such on an official map approved by a governing body they were KNOWN to somebody and you can run into references to them apparently out of synch. I don't worry about it too much, particularly since we all use CURRENT nomenclature to discuss past locations of interest.

Currently I'm on the track of the maps made by Jefferson's father ~ that guy went everywhere! Jefferson came up with his own plans for dividing up what we know as THE OLD NORTHWEST as well as the Central South ~ some of those lines in that map are worth examining closely. They all show up later as countylines or even some parts of state lines. All of that work had to have been done in the Colonial period ~ when the Brits were supposedly restricting movement into new territories and the Spanish were a threat.

So, were they older Spanish surveys? It's pretty obvious Dan Boone had access to such materials, so where are they?

45 posted on 05/08/2012 5:28:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"It wasn't exactly "few white people", but rather "few English or French speaking white people"."

Effectively what I meant.

"The landscape is littered with Spanish mills, mines, cabins, special breeds of animals ~ all leftover from the 1500s and 1600s ~ just not visible to us because we never bothered to look ~ our English language text books having failed to tip us off!"

I don't know how many of those Spanish items were present within those areas we were discussing (i.e. OH, IN, etc). Obviously more out west or near coastal areas or rivers.

"Currently I'm on the track of the maps made by Jefferson's father ~ that guy went everywhere! Jefferson came up with his own plans for dividing up what we know as THE OLD NORTHWEST as well as the Central South ~ some of those lines in that map are worth examining closely. They all show up later as countylines or even some parts of state lines. All of that work had to have been done in the Colonial period ~ when the Brits were supposedly restricting movement into new territories and the Spanish were a threat."

"So, were they older Spanish surveys? It's pretty obvious Dan Boone had access to such materials, so where are they?"

The documents ? I don't know. Probably in museums if they exist. I believe that Jefferson or his contemporaries wanted everything nice and neatly drawn up on the surveys, no doubt. They likely would've done so (if they didn't) in dividing up such townships or other such measures clear to the Pacific. Interesting to note, though, that those townships ultimately didn't quite take in the South as they ended up doing in places like, say, IL, IN, MI, WI where almost everything is neatly divided into squares.

46 posted on 05/08/2012 6:18:38 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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