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To: RaisingCain

I was discussing the “Maine” video, not the Nevada picture. The Maine video at least gave verification that they were actually at the event and there were real people passing things out, but was as I described.

As I mentioned in another part of my post which you didn’t quote, the Nevada question is that, if you postulate “shenanigans”, you can’t tell whether it was a Romney operative passing out a false slate, or a Ron Paul zealot making up a “Romney” fake slate to complain about, or just some random guy who showed up at the convention and wanted to be cute, not sanctioned by either nominee. You’d need a video showing a person passing out the Nevada delegate slate, and identify them and then tie them definitively to a campaign.

I’m not “resisting you”. In fact, it’s funny that you used the term “resist me”, it sounds like the Borg “resistance is futile”, which so much painted me a picture of Ron Paul’s supporters that you certainly didn’t want me to have.

I hate conventions, because people play all sorts of tricks. In fact, I started this by pointing out that multiple posts and several reports have mentioned Ron Paul supporters pulling tricks with delegate slates at lower levels, or offering themselves as supporters of other candidates so they could get to the next level and vote Paul-supporters into the national group.

Nevada seems to prove that to be the case — because 50% of the people at district supported Mitt Romney, but we are to believe that those same 50% CHOSE to vote so many Ron Paul supporters on to the next level that Ron Paul had full control of the delegate slate. Who knows why, but it is more plausible that this was something Ron Paul did, than that Mitt Romney was actually trying to trick people and yet this happened anyway.

But you can believe what you want. The point I have been making is that I do not find it conservative to cheer on the idea of thwarting the actual votes people cast, simply because the process allows for the possibility. For whatever reason, 50% of the people who showed up for the Nevada Presidential Caucus voted for Romney, and 40% voted for other people than Ron Paul. And yet, at the national convention, if it makes it to a second round, Nevada’s voters, 90% of whom wanted someone else, will be “represented” by a near-unanimous slate of people voting for Ron Paul, somebody almost NONE of the people in Nevada actually wanted.

How anybody can say that this is a good thing, I don’t know. It certainly isn’t representative democracy. When we vote people to represent us, we expect them to faithfully do so, not misrepresent themselves and do something we don’t want as soon as we turn our backs.


64 posted on 05/08/2012 3:03:50 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“As I mentioned in another part of my post which you didn’t quote, the Nevada question is that, if you postulate “shenanigans”, you can’t tell whether it was a Romney operative passing out a false slate, or a Ron Paul zealot making up a “Romney” fake slate to complain about, or just some random guy who showed up at the convention and wanted to be cute, not sanctioned by either nominee. You’d need a video showing a person passing out the Nevada delegate slate, and identify them and then tie them definitively to a campaign.”


Pffft, you’re splitting hairs here. The only reason why I even brought it up to begin with was because you were accusing the Paulistas of an organized effort to steal the delegates through such fraudulent tactics. And this you did with no evidence either. And when faced with photographs of the same thing, but from Romney guys, like a good defense attorney you throw out all you can to raise doubt about the Romney campaign’s dishonest behavior. This is the Mitt Romney who ran the nuke/deception campaign against fellow candidates, not enemies like Obama, but you’d rather accuse the Paulbots before you’d accuse them? It’s a double standard, for sure.

That said, your comments are still valid. We don’t know if it was just some random schmuck or closet Paul-bot at two different conventions at the same time passing around fake slates promoting Romney delegates just for fun.

They DO have a photo of the guy at Nevada, so hopefully, if any of the media picks up on this, they’ll identify him soon. Any mud on Romney’s face is a happy day for me.


68 posted on 05/08/2012 8:28:52 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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