Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers! If you go to the thread at the link you will will see that JimRob has "declared a truce" and hundreds of ABO FReepers are now vigorously defending their belief, which I share, that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian MUST BE DEFEATED to preserve the Republic...without fear of "the ZOT"! Please consider a DONATION not just to fund renewal of expression and amplification of your ABO views, but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!
IMO, Free Republic and FReepers could be vital in swing states in rallying just enough conservatives to tip the election and prevent our troops from having to salute for even one day longer than necessary an ineligible Marxist committed to destroying the USA !
The two strands of Conservatism are talking past each other in our latest argument. We come from the two different places. One strand is one that places its priorities on the fiscal and foreign policy issues. It’s history in the GOP can be traced back to opposition to the New Deal back in the 1930’s. This is why my businessman grandfather was a Republican back in those days. For honesty’s sake, I place myself in this strand.
The other strand is the Social Conservatives. They enter the GOP picture around 1980. Prior they were part of the Democrat coalition.They accepted the premise of the New Deal . They were the ones who strongly supported Carter in 1976. Their disappointment with Carter and the social turmoil of the 60’s and 70’s pushed them into the GOP. However, social issues are center stage. They are not so much against big government in its’ organization, but in the Liberal’s use of it. I may be bold in stating that if Obamacare was instituted without abortion being included, their opposition to it would end.
The Social Conservatives see the Free Market Conservatives as money grubbing heathens. While the Free Market Conservatives see the Social Conservatives as religious extremist. This is a fact on how we see each other.
A good test would be who would you vote for in this hypothetical situation.
Candidate A - 100% social conservative on social issues , but left wing on economics.
Candidate B - Moderate to slightly liberal on the social issues, and 100% free market pro-business on the fiscal ones.
I personally would vote for Candidate B, how but others. Would be interesting to read the responses.
Link to Original Post:
Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
“My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he’s recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don’t trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we’re going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle. “
For full post, here is the link:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2879805/posts
It's really tiring to have so many good conservative people being lied about and attacked over and over and over and over again with absolutely no repercussions.
“For you to use those twisted “truths” as weapons against conservatives. trying to save this nation from the clutches of Obama and the Dems, is maddening.”
Bingo! Check his signup date. This forum has been infiltrated by an army of Obamabots. It’s a coordinated effort and they are laughing about it over at DailyKos.
Candidate B for me. If we no longer have a free society because BIG government has taken over, I doubt we will have any say in social issues. Obviously with Obama or Romney, fiscal conservatives will be screwed and so will social conservatives. Insanity has prevailed.
-noun, pl. -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief or opinion that differs from one's own.
That doesn't necessarily make anyone on either side(s) a bad person. I prefer to judge these matters in the pragmatic political vein and shall strive do do so in the future.
I, myself, will have to see the long term results of this 'truce' before I donate again to FR (I'm not a big donor). My dollars will go to support conservative candidates around the country, but not to a place where I fearfully and rarely post just because I hate unbridled Marxism and say it.
Sorry, but I know I'm not alone in this, and I doubt some will ever come back after the things that have gone on here and the fear that posting the evil of Obama will get you zotted.
Regardless of the inadequacy of the GOP candidate, this is the most pivotal election in our lifetime (and mine goes back to Truman). I fear that, if FR doesn't change its tune, it will become irrelevant.
By choice.
You bitch about people stating their God given opinions....Then won't name names.
You throw the BIGOT word around...like Jesse Jackass..and The REV Sharpton...and then try and tell me spit is water.
My whole point was you sound EXACTLY like a progressive liberal...calling people BIGOTS, but not naming them...and implying ALL religions are EQUAL.
Beliefs belong in church, conservatives belong on FreeRepublic; and here the Twains shall meet.
Your opinion, is great.
So is mine.
If you truly thought you were going to just post what you did...and not take some flak and heat...I can't explain it to you.
That is a very good explanation of where we stand. Of course a lot of Republicans have morphed into a mix of social and fiscal conservatism. Groups that organize together for electoral purposes will, over time, adopt some of each others policy positions.
There are, to use your example, many Republican Candidate B’s who will agree to the pro-life position in order to keep the coalition together, but that don’t personally care about it one way or the other. And of course there equally numerous Republican Candidate A’s who would personally have no problem using government to do things like ban porn, but understand such positions aren’t viable within a broad coalition that can win elections.
Please name such a candidate in the real world.
"It takes your enemy and your friend, working together, to hurt you to the heart: the one to slander you and and the other to get the news to you." -- Mark Twain
"demonizing? Ha!!
I pass up...ton's of posts. I'm quite sure you could do the same....as ALL FReepers can.
Your whine...is tiresome.
Y’all have the same game plan don’t you. Trying to gode someone into a personal flaming war. Then call out the troops for reenforcement to gang up like a pack of wolves,then ping JR to come see what this guy said, and then circle around the body like a bunch of buzzards. Sorry, not falling for your trap. I have seen you and others like you use this exact same tactic, many times over.You and people like you are the exact reason so many posters have left, along with their money.
FWIW-
If the Republican "Anybody but Obama" was a Koran thumping Muslim, would you campaign for him and vote for him out of your fear of another 4 years of Obama?
BTW who are the "religious bigots" on this forum? The ones who inform everyone about the strange beliefs and practices of Temple Worthy Mormons like Romney?
If you don't believe that Mormon doctrines, practices and beliefs are as weird as Mitt Romney appears when he is around ordinary people, then maybe the problem lies with you.
It is a test of everybody’s bottom line. Let’s say Bob Casey Jr. vs Rudy Guiliani. Casey Jr. is pro-life, and Rudy is pro-choice. Who would you vote for President between the two. Me, Rudy.
I meant to ping you to post 108.
Good video by Dinesh.
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