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To: kabar

All you say is true but it doesn’t change my premise.

I don’t think any of those things are in the minds of people who come here illegally.

they just aren’t.

Border control is the only way to stop the influx.

Why will nobody get serious about that?

Surely it’s not impossible. Oh, some would get through, but it would be a trickle compared to the flood we have now.

And Obama has no interest in stopping the flood or doing anything about illegals already here. He won’t even allow criminals to be deported. It’s crazy.


69 posted on 05/06/2012 7:56:04 AM PDT by altura (Looking for sanity in all the wrong places.)
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To: altura
Excellent point.There is no down side for our side to cry about not securing the border.

Only a few employers hell bent on cheap labor at any cost would give our side a hard time other than a few rinos still worried about losing the Hispanic vote. The BS about losing the Hispanic vote over a secure border is just that.

Many Hispanics are disgusted that we don't have a more secure border.They don't want terrorists coming across any more than we do.

78 posted on 05/06/2012 8:08:21 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: altura
All you say is true but it doesn’t change my premise. I don’t think any of those things are in the minds of people who come here illegally. they just aren’t.

I can only give you the facts. Anchor babies provide certain benefits both materially and in terms of staying here. People come to this country to improve their lot in life including those of their children. When you reward something you get more of it. We have 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies a year plus millions more who come illegally with their parents.

When we had the amnesty in 1986, the proponnents said that it would solve our problems with illegal aliens. They promised that it would be a one time amnesty, never to done again. The USG estimated that one million would apply, but the number turned out to be 2.7 million. Fraudulent document centers were set up just blocks away from the processing centers. There was an uptick in illegal immigration after the amnesty was passed even though the law said you had to be here for five years to be eligible. We now have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens and the push is on for another amnesty.

As far as birth tourism is concerned, there are documented rings that bring in expecting mothers from China and India. During my service overseas at our embassies, our local employees sent their wives to the US to have their children so they could get an American passport. It was a form of insurance.

A New Baby Boom? Foreign 'Birth Tourists' Seek U.S. Citizenship for Children

For many pregnant Chinese, a U.S. passport for baby remains a powerful lure

Border control is the only way to stop the influx. Why will nobody get serious about that? Surely it’s not impossible. Oh, some would get through, but it would be a trickle compared to the flood we have now.

40% of the illegals who are here now came here legally and overstayed their visas. Securing the border only solves part of the problem. We also have to shut off the job magnet using such programs as E-Verify. States like AZ have shown that attrition thru enforcement works. We need state and local law enforcement to work with the Feds. There are only 6,000 ICE agents for the entire country.

The actual number of illegals crossing the border has gone down primarily due to the lack of jobs during this economic downturn. They will go up once the economy improves. And frankly, we need to reduce legal immigration from the current 1.2 million a year to a more manageable 300,000 or so. And we have to shift to a merit based system to bring in the skills we need to be competitive in the global economy. Right now, we are bringing in hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts every year, legally and illegally.

And Obama has no interest in stopping the flood or doing anything about illegals already here. He won’t even allow criminals to be deported. It’s crazy.

Obama is conducting a back door amnesty of 300,000 illegals right now, closing their cases and giving them work permits. A few years ago, the Border Patrol union (AFL-CIO) of over 7,000 unanimously gave an unprecedented "No confidence resolution" against the Director of ICE and his deputy for not enforcing the immigration laws. He is still in charge.

99 posted on 05/06/2012 8:38:40 AM PDT by kabar
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