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To: Political Junkie Too
"The question is still about original intent of the natural-born clause. The Congressmen that you quoted gave their opinions in 1866, 1869, and 1872. Paine, a Founder, wrote contemporaneously about the Constitution in 1791."

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The four gospels of Christ were written maybe even 100 years after Christ. Does that mean they have no authority? What does time have to do with it?

I will argue that "natural-born" is not a definition of citizen, but a further requirement (akin to age and residency) that is added to being a citizen...

There is no way you can justify the framers adding "a further requirement" to what was normally understood. Two parent citizens would have been mentioned specifically because it was a departure from common knowledge. You are just taking a shot in the dark to support your agenda. No one believes this, not judges, politicians, conservative commentators, me, or millions of others. This is a dumb issue.

Your reasoning is way beyond repair. Tell you what. You believe what you want, I will not try to debate with you. You are entitled to your opinions.

275 posted on 05/07/2012 6:01:18 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist; Political Junkie Too
After saying this...
I do not like to think that after all the sacrifices I and my family have made for this country our children cannot run for the highest office. Just ain’t right!

You say this...
Tell you what. You believe what you want, I will not try to debate with you. You are entitled to your opinions.

The thing is, you don't want anybody to have an opinion different than yours 'cause it..."just ain't right" in your eyes.
And even worse, you're trying to force others to accept your biased opinion of the issue by browbeating them into submission.
That just ain't right.

277 posted on 05/07/2012 6:10:55 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: New Jersey Realist
There is no way you can justify the framers adding "a further requirement" to what was normally understood. Two parent citizens would have been mentioned specifically because it was a departure from common knowledge.

Thomas Paine makes it clear what the "natural-born" requirement meant. I added no further requirement than was is already written. Paine's example shows that "natural-born" was not a departure from common knowledge. It is the opinions of 100 years later that is the departure from original intent.

I think you know it, but cannot accept Paine as an authoritative source in the same vein as Jefferson's Danbury Baptist letter defined the establishment clause.

-PJ

284 posted on 05/07/2012 10:42:00 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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