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To: MamaTexan; philman_36
In it, I also questioned how much evidence you thought it will take to get him to see the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I just took a quick nap but let's get back into this...the crux of the matter if you will.

I can cite quotes such as:

"It is in vain we look into the Constitution of the United States for a definition of the term "citizen." It speaks of citizens, but in no express terms defines what it means by it. We must depend upon the general law relating to subject and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead to a conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of such States, except it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments are native born citizens of the United States. Thus it is expressed by a writer on the Constitution of the United States: "Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity." Rawle on the Constitution, pg. 86." Rep. Wilson. Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., lst Sess. 1117 (1866).

or: "Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen." Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)

which proves my point that our founders are in the jus soli citizenship mode as opposed to the jus sanguinis. You on the other hand assert that NBC requires citizen parents, which directly contradicts the above quotes, yet you fail to produce ONE single authoritative quote that can prove your assertion without going into a lot of goggledegook.

This is a pretty simple matter, so simple in fact that the framers didn’t even bother to explain it. I hate to be so repetitious in these threads but I want to see a declarative statement such as, “it is the policy of this nation that in order to be a NBC, you must have citizen parents.” Give me something like that and I’ll join your side. And while you are at it, also provide evidence that the framers used Vattel specifically on the citizenship issue. If you can't do that then you have no standing on the issue. I hope you are both smart enough to know I'm sending you on a fools mission (and I mean that respectfully).

240 posted on 05/06/2012 10:26:41 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
...I want to see a declarative statement such as, “it is the policy of this nation that in order to be a NBC, you must have citizen parents.” Give me something like that and I’ll join your side. And while you are at it, also provide evidence that the framers used Vattel specifically on the citizenship issue.
My, what strict stipulations you have. /LRRH

I hope you are both smart enough to know I'm sending you on a fools mission (and I mean that respectfully).
A fool's errand? You ask for that which nobody is able to provide as it doesn't exist in the manner you desire.
That's why you've framed your request in the manner in which you have.

248 posted on 05/06/2012 1:15:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Please provide a webpage for your information.

Thank you.

253 posted on 05/06/2012 4:42:22 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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