“Thank you for answering the question. You start off by stating, “The father for purposes of determining citizenship is typically going to be the legal father, and not necessarily the birth father.” How do we know the legal father is a U.S. citizen? No where did I read that the father’s BC must be presented.”
Different jurisdictions issuing birth certificates have different requirements for evidence of identity and citizenship. As a 2000 U.S. Government report titled Birth Certificate Fraud had to say, birth certificate fraud is very rarely ever prosecuted or punished even when discovered and reported. Prosecutors and courts almost always refuse to enforce the laws in regard to birth certificate fraud.
“The truth is WhiskeyX, we really can’t prove our father’s citizenship without presenting a BC. All we get is our own BC or certificate of naturalization. If you have a BC that shows birth in the U.S. you are a natural born citizen. The other means you were made a citizen by law and therefore ineligible to become president. It is not a complicated issue.”
A birth certificate “proves” nothing at all, especially with so much widespread birth certificate fraud, identity theft, and near complete absence of law enforcement. A birth certificate is nothing more than a document used to establish a rebuttable presumption of the informaton presented on the certificate, but the information can be challenged and impeached in administrative proceedings and/or hearings in a court of law. Like a driver’s license and other forms of identification, it can be and sometimes is revoked, invalidated, or amended. Likewise, claims of U.S. citizenship are revoked or invalidated due to identity and eligibility fraud.
“I and others have posted many authorative statements regarding NBC clearly stating that all persons born on U.S. soil are native and or natural born citizens of this country. Why won’t you accept the fact that it is the VAST majority opinion with no supportive facts on your side?”
Your claims are gross falsehoods. For example, you say: “all persons born on U.S. soil are native and or natural born citizens of this country.” As you certainly already well know, the children born of foreign diplomats do not come under the jurisdiction of the United States, and therefore they do not qualify for U.S. citizenship. Likewise U.S. Nationals are not U.S. Citizens despite being born within the jurisdiciton of the United States. Spectacularly false is your saying “ no supportive facts on your side” in the face of centuries of legal precedent in which English Acts of Parliament clearly stated they were taking persons who were not natural born subjects at birth and were making them equal in rights to natural born citizens at birth. There are also the centuries of legal precedent in other Continental Eropean jurisdictions in which the child of alien parents were not eligible to be regarded as a subject or a citizen, but was instead an alien born, as described by Vattel, Blacksone, Coke, and others through the centuries back to the Roman Republic and earlier.
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Of course I know that - I have cited references regarding that:
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." /Senator Jacob Howard as transcribed in the Globe.
But what does the FIRST sentence say?
You then go on to say, "Spectacularly false is your saying “ no supportive facts on your side”" and then you list the very same false stuff, none of which is relevant!!
What is it you don't understand about Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinis? The United States is Jus Soli - not Jus Sanguinis as much as you'd like to believe it - it just ain't so as attested to by hundreds of authorities. You cannot refute that there are ONLY two types of citizens, U.S. born and Naturalized.
If Obama was born in Hawaii he is Jus Soli, natural born citizen. As much as we detest the guy, that is the fact. There is no judge in the U.S. that will say otherwise and you know it but you keep beating up that dead horse.
As much as I like the mental stimulation, I'm old, getting tired already at (12 noon) so I do believe I'm done here.