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To: New Jersey Realist

“How could anyone know if my parents are U.S. citizens? By looking at my BC? I think not and this is where I believe the birther movement fails. The ONLY thing a BC proves is where and when you were born”

“Birther movement”? You mock people who demand nothing more than compliance with the rule of law, rather than defy the law at the expense of the genuine Citizens of the nation. You make law abiding citizens sound like a bowel movement, which is extremely offensive.

Next, a birth certificate “proves” nothing whatsoever. A birth certificate is nothing more than a document which purports to indicate some of the facts of birth of a child as a rebuttable presumption for any court of law. Birth certificate fraud is a common crime for which enforcement of the law and punishment for the crime a nearly non-existant. This rampant birth certificate fraud was the subject of a U.S. Government report in the year 2000.

The problem of the father being misreported by the mother on a birth certificate and in various legal proceedings was recognized as a problem ages ago and resolved in law by the simple ancient expediency of assuming for the purported legal father is the father for most purposes of law, regardless of whom the natural father make actually be. So, for purposes of determining citizenship, the legal father’s citizenship is used to determine the citizenship of the legal father’s child, whether or not they are related by blood kinship.

The Framers of the Constitution had no need to include definitions of citizenship in the Constitution, because citizenship was determined by the laws of each state at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Some states conferred citizenship upon children born in the jurisdiction of the state with alien parents and some did not. The Constitution did not define who was a natural born citizen, because a natural born citizen was a person whose natural birth to two citizen parents in the jurisdiction of a state or territorial government of the United States required no law or statute to make or naturalize the child as a citizen at birth. The only persons who need to have their status as a national or citizen defined by public law are those persons who are born within or without the jurisdiction of a state or territory as an alien until the public law makes and naturalizes these person at birth. A true natural born citizen is a person who is a born as a citizen without the need for a public law to make the person a citizen, such as the child of two citizen parents born in the jurisdiction of the state or territory.

Since a natural born citizen exists without the need for a public law to make a person a natural born citizen, there was no need or purpose to define it within or without the Constitution. Indeed, using a public law to define a natural born citizen would have the effect of making it naturalized citizenship at birth instead of natural born citizenship.


142 posted on 05/05/2012 6:13:26 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

A lot of words that say nothing. Let me ask again, how do you prove that you are the child of parents of U.S. citizens? Simple question just in case I want to run for president.

There are other things I take issue with in your diatribe but let’s get one issue resolved at a time....less confusion that way.


148 posted on 05/05/2012 7:06:36 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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