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To: philman_36
You base a lot on what the name of USC 8 is.

Section 1401 is named “Nationals and U.S. citizens at birth”.

Those who are born citizens are in no need of naturalization.

What section of the law are you saying Marco Rubio was naturalized under?

120 posted on 05/04/2012 4:56:56 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
You base a lot on what the name of USC 8 is.
Why yes, I do. Why don't you? Is that because you don't want people to know that your arguement is based upon a uniform rule of naturalization and can't make someone a natural born citizen? Is that why you refused over and over again to cite the U.S. law that you believe is applicable?

Section 1401 is named “Nationals and U.S. citizens at birth”.
What was it you said? Oh, yeah...you base a lot on what the name of a section is.

Here is the break down...
@USC : Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
@8 USC Chapter 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY
@8 USC Chapter 12, Subchapter III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
@8 USC Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization
And waaaaay down the line is the section in question...
@8 USC Section 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

122 posted on 05/04/2012 5:13:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream
What section of the law are you saying Marco Rubio was naturalized under?
Why are you asking me to say what you've already said?

@Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:” December 16, 2008

Isn't that the very section you're asking me to cite?

123 posted on 05/04/2012 5:16:30 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream
So doesn't that Section waaaaay down the line say that the children of aliens become U.S. Citizens, and nothing more, at birth?
124 posted on 05/04/2012 5:21:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: allmendream
“Those who are born citizens are in no need of naturalization.”

You are mistaken and your comment is a false statement. The jus soli or ius soli principle upon which the soil of birth doctrine in the U.S. citizenship law is derived comes from ancient legal customs dating back to the Roman Republic and earlier. Under the Roman law, the Roman citizenship required two Roman Citizens as parents and it also required education and civic service as a Roman Citizen. Anything less forfeited Roman Citizenship.

In early 17th Century England laws were passed to deem the children of foreigners born on English soil as naturalized subjects made at birth, versus the subjects born at birth as the children of English parents. It was therefore the custom and practice to naturalize at birth those persons the act of Parliament found it necessary to make subjects at birth.

135 posted on 05/04/2012 10:31:15 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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