Posted on 05/03/2012 6:26:48 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
Are public schools becoming more and more like prisons?
That’s what the documentary “The War on Kids” says.
Based on interviews with educators, medical professionals, students and sociologists, the documentary, which received a limited film festival run in 2009 and is being released this week on the Documentary Channel, paints the picture of an increasingly authoritarian and paranoid school system that is failing its students, stripping them of their civil liberties and constitutional rights.
“Kids have no voice. Everyone pretends to care, but it is never true, and it’s the children who are being blamed for all the failings in the education system,” filmmaker Cevin Soling told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column. “People do not learn when they are in such an autocratic environment
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Schools are prisons for children who have commited the crime of being born.
Teachers pretend to teach, children pretend to learn, and parents pretend that the teachers are teaching and the children are learning.
The system works.
-—I agree that the subject matter taught is liberal, but I disagree with the schools being overwhelmingly authoritarian.——
Compulsory schooling has always been about control. It’s methodology is rooted in behavioral psychology. The chalkboard lessons are merely cover.
http://johntaylorgatto.com/underground/
-—The latter is not new as I remember in about 1953 getting into hot water for daring to bring a box of Cracker jacks to school for morning and afternoon ‘snack’ in defiance of the ‘healthy food’ ukase that was in effect even then in spite of the crap the cafeteria served at lunch.——
Good for you! The best thing that happened in my school years was when the “troublemakers” in 6th grade organized a 5th & 6th grade lunch strike.
For three days only a handful of kids bought lunch (including me, to my everlasting shame).
Finally, the principal came down to the lunchroom and screamed (yes, screamed) at us for five minutes.
That was enough to break the strike.
I’d sure like to see the idea go viral.8-)
It’s the only way that kids can fight the power. It’s a great civics lesson.
The communist goal has always been institutionalization from birth through age 22 —implementation by degree.
Hence the government takeover of college loans on one end, and the drive for free daycare/pre-school on the other.
——Fixing a system built upon the foundation of godlessness, single payer socialist-entitlement, and compulsion can not be fixed.——
The system is evil in principle. Why? Because all parents are ordained/graced by God to be a child’s primary educators.
If anyone doubts this positive claim, consider it negatively. Who or what else should be a child’s primary educator?
Compulsory schooling violates this fundamental principle, and is intrinsically evil. It cannot be reformed.
In your masters of education program did they teach you that it is impossible to do double blind education studies? If you believe it is possible how would you design the study. ( Just wondering)
As for not proof reading, I consider being on time for church reason enough not to do it. You are always welcome to entirely skip my posts if it bothers you.
As for the poor being reimbursed ( temporarily) :
**ALL** citizens, not living the life of a hermit, pay godless government school taxes. School taxes are hidden in the rents on apartments. Businesses pass on their school taxes in the form of higher prices. Did they teach that in your masters of education program?
Regarding: Institutionalize for their schooling
Children who attend government schools and much of what is considered tradition private schools are Institutionalized for their schooling.
From the Webster definition of “institution: “b : an established organization or corporation (as a bank or university) especially of a public character;
From the Webster definition of “institutionalized”: 2) : to put in the care of an institution.
Ever since Columbine and the responses to it, I’ve sworn since that day to make sure my kids are going to private schools.
Should I show you the post from the other day when you made the same note? Are you going to use the same excuse for that?
I noticed you have still not answered these questions. I realize that the answers are embarrassing for you but please try. You do know that I am like a dog with a bone and I will keep asking:
The devil is in the details.
What percentage have the financial resources to home school?
What percentage of parents have the desire to home school?
What percentage of children want to be home schooled?
You also have not told me what you intend to do to help me improve a system.
Now try to address real issues with real solutions instead of your straw men.
Why are you refusing to answer these questions?
According to your criteria every child under the age of three will be in an institution. I will bet that this is over the edge and beyond the pale even for those that agree with you.
What is this, an interrogation? No one is obligated to answer your questions.
Abolish government employee unions. They are already protected under civil service laws. That is enough.
Would you include police and firefighters in this as well, How about workers at county and State institutions such as hospitals and mental facilities. Some police and fire fighters unions provide "Hazard" insurance that are self insurance since other companies rates are to high for this.
In those states that currently have caps on the number of charters, remove these caps.
<Good idea, Would these school have the option of refusing admittance to a school? or would they required to take ALL applicants on a first come first serve basis?
Allow God-centered schools instead of restricting charters to only the religious worldview of godless.
They already exist they are called parochial schools. Also you complained that at your daughter's or daughter-in-law's Catholic school she was the only one that did not support Obozo. Would these schools have to take ALL students on a first come first serve basis? Would they have to modify their curriculum to support all religious beliefs? For instance If the child of Wiccan parents applied to an evangelical school could they practice their faith?
Allow tax credits. Any individual or business who donates money to a private voucher fund, or sponsors a child would deduct the full amount from their taxes.
Good idea no disagreement.
For those who are poor, and do not directly pay income or property taxes, they would be get a reimbursement.
I disagree completely, 48% of our population does not pay federal income tax. This is enough of a "break" they are not entitled to more of my money unless I choose to give it to them.
Allow any group of teachers at any government school to vote to turn their government school into a charter. This has already been successfully done at Green Dot schools in Los Angeles.
Is this based on a simple majority or super majority? What about the teachers that don't want to work for a charter school? What about the students that don't want to attend a charter school or if their parents don't want them to? Where would they attend? How would the Charter school reimburse the county for land and building?
Gradually, reduce the amount of government involvement in education, on every level, over the next 25 years, as the private infrastructure is built and private philanthropy can assume the burden of educating our nation's children. Perhaps a once a year campaign similar to the United Way effort could be instituted, however, the funds would be directed to the private scholarship fund of the worker's choice.
Great idea, 100% agreement.
Finally, currently about 3 to 5% of the nation's children are homeschooled. Homeschooling when done from the beginning, has an excellent record and, on average, homeschooled children **far** exceed institutionalized children in academic achievement. As adults, too, former homeschoolers have **far** less social pathology. These statistics can be found on the Homeschool Legal Defense Association website.
There are three types of lies, Lies D@mn lies, and Statistics. Find and independent agency to support your numbers via a double blind study.
While homeschooling is the most ideal way to rear a child to adulthood, sadly, not all children can be homeschooled, for many reasons: Selfishness, materialism, health, intelligence, illiteracy, poor coping skills, lack of discipline, extreme poverty, etc. on the part of the parents. These children will need to be institutionalized for their schooling. We need orphanages, too, but no one is claiming that this is the best way to rear a child.
So you want to take these children from their parents and put them in an institution? Who is going to determine which students don't fit into your program? Are you going to have "Education panels" or "internment panels"? I was with you pretty much on everything until you went off the rails with this last one. Might be time to rethink this.
( Not proof read.)
There is no excuse for this.
Wintertime likes to play fast and loose with the truth, and sadly she has attacked some very nice people. I am simply pointing out the fallacies of her statements.
If she is telling the truth she will be able to defend her position. If not well she will just ignore and divert, much like she has been doing.
At no time in this thread did I suggest that homeschooling could or should be the only alternative to government socialist-entitlement and single payer schooling. While I believe that we will continue to see a growth in the numbers of homeschoolers over the next decade or so, I seriously doubt that it will ever be the major means of educating the nation's children.
These questions are red herrings and not at all relevant to anything I have posted. I don't see homeschooling as being a solution to the problem of shutting down the government schools and/or providing an adequate education to the nation's children.
Again: I seriously doubt that homeschoolers will ever be more than a single digit percentage of children of school age, even though I believe it is the most ideal way to rear and educate a child.
That is all I will say on the matter in this thread, Homeschooling is NOT the topic of this thread. But...If it makes you happy continue barking about homeschooling.
Please note that in post #39 I did not offer homeschooling as a possible solution to solving the problem of our ill-educated populace. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.
I fixed your less than christian response. and would like to point out that the key phrase is "in this thread". In the past that is exactly what you have advocated.
If someone declines to answer your questions they are lying?
A good example of “public” would be Mc Donalds or a state or federal park. There anyone can use the facility regardless of age, gender, race, or religion.
In my opinion calling government owned and run K-12 schools “public” is a lie. Christians shouldn't lie even if others commonly do about government owned and run K-12 schooling.
The truth:
ALL government owned and run K-12 schooling in this nation is a single payer and socialist entitlement. It is **compulsory** for all those children whose parents can not ransom them by way of private or home schooling. All government owned, single-payer, and socialist-entitlement K-12 schools in this nation are godless.
There is no more truthful way to say it. It is what it is.
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