Maybe so, as Ive tried real hard and still cant understand how someone can be native born without being natural born.
I don't think you want to understand myself.
Ive heard the phrase naturalized from birth, but that doesnt make any sense to me.
Then grasp the concept of natural law versus positive law and you might.
“For the children of aliens!”
Yes.
“They’re naturalized via positive law which Congress was empowered to create under Article I, Section 8, Clause 4...’establish a uniform rule of naturalization’.”
This is a seperate argument, and I’d like again to stress that the point I was making is that you said one has to be an alien for the law to apply to you, and obviously that is untrue.
“I don’t think you want to understand myself.”
No, you are.
“Then grasp the concept of natural law versus positive law and you might.”
Oh, okay, how about the fact that there can’t be any such thing as a U.S. citizen, natural born or naturalized, without the positive law that is the U.S. Constitution? You can have the natural right to bear arms without the Constitution, but not the right to be the citizen of the U.S. For no such thing as the U.S. exists in nature: it is the creation of positive law.
Moreover, one cannot be both native born and naturalized. To be naturalized you must be converted into a citizen after birth via positive law. That does not apply to people made citizens by virtue of the manner in which they were born. Not even if what controlled their birth status was the 14th amendment, which is positive law, yes, but no moreso than the Constitution as a whole.
Explain to me how soil babies becoming citizens through the natural process of birth are somehow made citizens in the same manner as the naturalized. The best you can probably do is to quibble about how no one ever needed to tell us that the children of two citizen parents are citizens, but we needed the 14th amendment to tell us about soil babies. Well, jus solis was no secret to Vattel, at least, who recognized its control in of all places England. Which, you might recall, is the mother country.