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To: Tublecane
Where does the law say that? Can a law apply to a person who isn’t born? How is that possible?

That isn’t possible.
Yet you continue to argue that it is possible! Amazing!

It can, and does, apply to people upon being born.
But...but...you just said that isn't possible!
And since they're citizens, since they're already born, then how can a law dealing with aliens and nationality govern them as they're not, and never were, aliens and their nationality is already established as being legal citizens?

I would agree that it's "applicable upon" them when they're born, but I can't agree that it "applies to" them either before, or after, they're born.
It will always "apply to" the alien parents.

If you don't want to your kid to gain automatic U.S. citizenship while you are legally in this nation then get out before the delivery date.

253 posted on 05/01/2012 5:55:54 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“Can a law apply to a person who isn’t born? How is that possible?”

No one is seeking to apply it to the unborn. It applies upon their birth. What don’t you understand about that?

“Yet you continue to argue that it is possible! Amazing!”

No, I’m not. You’re really confused as to then the law applies. It is not in the womb, no. It controls their status when they’re born. When they are born!

“But...but...you just said that isn’t possible!”

Sigh. It’s like talking to a five year old. What’s impossible is it applying before birth, as you indicate. It can very well apply upon birth, which is not before or after but simultaneous with birth.

“And since they’re citizens, since they’re already born”

I don’t like that “already,” as it will lead you down dark roads. They are citizens when they’re born. Not before, not after. They are not “already” citizens when they’re born. They become citizens as they’re born. They come together.

“how can a law dealing with aliens and nationality govern them”

Because one of their parents is an alien, and conveying U.S. citizenship is giving them a nationality.

“as they’re not, and never were, aliens and their nationality is already established as being legal citizens?”

Their nationality is established, as you agree, by the law (and this you apparently won’t admit) when they are born. There is no “already.” They’re not citizens by the time the law gets to them, nor does the law affect them before they are born. It hits them as they are born, upon their birth, simultaneously with them entering the world.

“I would agree that it’s ‘applicable upon’ them when they’re born”

I don’t know what that means, if it doesn’t mean it applies to them.

“I can’t agree that it ‘applies to’ them either before, or after, they’re born”

Does it have to be “before” or “after” with you? Can you not recognize that I’m saying it happens with birth, not before nor after? Just like a citizen born to citizen parents achieves his status (via Nature’s God, or whatever you say) when he’s born. Not before, not after, but upon birth.

“If you don’t want to your kid to gain automatic U.S. citizenship while you are legally in this nation then get out before the delivery date.”

Here it is again. What’s up with your castigation of fictitious parents who accidentally birth U.S. citizens? how do you know they don’t want their kids to be citizens? Why do you imagine they’d defend against it? Isn’t it a birther article of faith that foreigners are intentionally sneaking in to birth anchor babies so as to run them for president?


269 posted on 05/01/2012 6:37:40 PM PDT by Tublecane
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