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To: philman_36

This’ll be my final shot at this. I think the other poster is right, that you’re only sticking with this because you don’t see a way out.

You said the law applied only to aliens.

The law itself says it applies to people who are citizens at birth.

Therefore, you are arguing that people who are citizens at birth are also, at least at some point, aliens.

I have asked you what that point is.

You have answered only with rhetorical questions.

I conclude, therefore, that you don’t actually have an answer.


218 posted on 05/01/2012 4:30:00 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
You said the law applied only to aliens.
To be concise, I'm saying the law applies to alien parents.
It's saying, "Hey, driver, the speed limit is 30 MPH. If you don't want a ticket don't speed. If you do a fine will be levied."
In other words...If you're here legally and you have a child here they're going to have U. S. citizenship whether you want them to or not.

The law itself says it applies to people who are citizens at birth.
Where does the law say that? Can a law apply to a person who isn't born? How is that possible?
No, the law is applicable upon certain children at birth. It "applies to" alien parents.

The speed limit through a residential district is posted at 30 MPH.
Upon whom is the law applied to? Is it applicable upon another?

236 posted on 05/01/2012 5:01:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Therefore, you are arguing that people who are citizens at birth are also, at least at some point, aliens.
The parents are the aliens! The child never had the opportunity to be an alien!

That's the point. You can't make a law on aliens and naturalization be about a person who was never an alien to begin with as their parent was.
The parent is the alien, not the child. The parent isn't the citizen, the child is when they're born and you can't enforce a law on someone before they're born (well, that goes into the whole abortion issue and just how wrong that law is).
The child has no choice but to be labeled a U.S. citizen.

238 posted on 05/01/2012 5:09:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
The law itself says it applies to people who are citizens at birth.

The statute, makes them citizens at birth, absent the law, they'd be aliens. But a natural born citizen needs no law to be a citizen, they just are. The 14th amendment is, for this purpose, a law.

353 posted on 05/03/2012 8:42:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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