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To: philman_36

“I’ve never said they don’t qualify as citizens.”

I know, although originally I thought that’s what you implied. Turns out you were using some alternative argument that I’m still unable to comprehend.

“Why do you make something so simple so convoluted?”

I think you do that by baselessly insisting people are getting you wrong instead of sticking to the point.

“What I’m saying is that the law can’t apply to citizens”

Yes it can, and to the very citizens whose status you don’t deny it establishes.

“The only way it can apply to citizens is if said citizen is having a child with an alien.”

No, no, no. The citizen is the child, you see. That is the citizen it applies to. The child that has been rained down into the commonwealth.

“The law governs aliens!”

The law, specifically the part we’re fruitlessly backing and forthing on, governs when the children of aliens can be citizens. Therefore, it governs citizens: the citizens who qualify according to it to be citizens from birth.

“The overarching precept and principle is that the child has an alien parent or parents and has to be naturalized to be a U.S. citizen!”

Okay, let’s pick it up from there. What “naturalizes” the child? The law in question. Therefore, the law applies to the child, who is a citizen. Thusly, the law applies to citizens.


210 posted on 05/01/2012 4:23:16 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Yes it can, and to the very citizens whose status you don’t deny it establishes.
I haven't argued anywhere that it doesn't establish the children's status. You going back to it time after time isn't going to change what I didn't say into something I did say.

No, no, no. The citizen is the child, you see.
No kidding, Sherlock. The law is "applicable upon" the child. It "applies to" the parent.
What can't you grasp about that?!
That's like saying a child who isn't of an age to drive is responsible for their parent's speeding simply because they're in the car. The law applies to the driver, not the passenger.

The law...governs when the children of aliens can be citizens.
No, the law states when they become citizens, that being at birth.

Therefore, it governs citizens: the citizens who qualify according to it to be citizens from birth.
They can't be citizens until they're born you dolt! It doesn't take effect until after they're born, meaning before they're citizens. Thus, the law is applicable upon the children of aliens and applies to the alien parent/parents, one of which may not be a citizen at all.

227 posted on 05/01/2012 4:45:30 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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