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To: Tublecane
It applies to the children of aliens who qualify to be citizens, therefore it applies to citizens.
Can rain be rain while it's still in a cloud? NO! It has to fall before it's called rain.

You know it does, and are carrying on I don’t know why.
I know no such thing. In fact, this is what we both know...
The section under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens.

You’re the one saying the children are citizens before they’re born when the law says ‘at birth’, not before birth.
When did I say they were children before they’re born?
You're saying they're citizens before they're born. How obtuse can you get?

The law applies to you at birth when, bam!, you’re a citizen.
Again, as you well know...The section under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens.

But, as I’ve said about 47 times now, the children of aliens can be citizens.
Have I said they couldn't be?

Therefore, this law applies to citizens.
Once again...The section of the law under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens. It doesn't apply to citizens.
You can argue it all you want, but a cloud is a cloud and rain is only rain after it starts to fall.

155 posted on 05/01/2012 1:53:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“Can rain be rain while it’s still in a cloud? NO! It has to fall before it’s called rain.”

Rain is rain when it precipitates, just as that law applies to children who qualify as citizens under it when they are born.

“The section under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens.”

I’m unsure why you emphasize “to.” Yes, they are born to aliens. How does that make it so that the law doesn’t apply to them?

“You’re the one saying the children are citizens before they’re born when the law says ‘at birth’, not before birth.”

No I’m not. Where do you get off? The law applies once they’re born. How can you argue the law doesn’t apply to them? It applies to their parents, somehow, but not to them, even though it’s about them? Because by the time they’re born and become citizens it’s too late for it to apply, because we already know they’re citizens and there’s no question? But the reason we know is that the law applies to them, and tells us that they are citizens. The law applies to them.

“Again, as you well know...The section under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens.”

What’s your point?

” It doesn’t apply to citizens.”

Yes it does. It applies to those very citizens who were born *TO* [!!!!!] aliens.

“You can argue it all you want, but a cloud is a cloud and rain is only rain after it starts to fall.”

Yes, and if a law told us that wetness that falls shall be known as rain, then that law would apply to the wetness that had become rain.


174 posted on 05/01/2012 2:56:18 PM PDT by Tublecane
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