“Yes, the children are naturalized citizens when they’re born, not before they’re born. The children aren’t citizens until they’re born. The parents are still aliens. The law doesn’t govern citizens.”
Yet again, I don’t get it. Once they are born, they are citizens under this law. Therefore, the law applies to citizens. No more of this rigmarole about born and unborn.
“I’ll give you a partial victory here...The only instance where I would say that the law might govern a citizen is when you have the situation we have here with an alien and a citizen parent.”
Well, yes, that’s what the law the article brought up is about. We aren’t arguing about some other law, so I don’t see how you can call it “partial.” That’s the whole of the argument.
“The child is still the child of an alien and falls under USC 8 as both parents aren’t citizens.”
Yes, that’s why the article referenced USC 8. We knew that all along.
“Until the child is born the child is not a citizen.”
True. No one has any citizenship status until they are born.
“Either way, only one parent is a citizen and the child is naturalized at birth under positive law and can’t be a natural born citizen as resort to USC 8 must be taken for citizenship.”
Like I said above, everyone must reference positive law to be a citizen of something, natural born or otherwise. Without the positive law that is the U.S. Constitution there is no such as a U.S. citizen under the Constitution. To say nothing of U.S. citizens under the Articles, who also must reference the positive law that is the Articles of Confederation. But that’s another argument.
Once they are born, they are citizens under this law.
I agree 100%. Once they are born, not before.
Therefore, the law applies to citizens.
No, it doesn't! It tells the parent (or parents), who are aliens, as well as all of the other people of America, that the child is now a citizen through naturalization and they are afforded all of the protections that every other citizen has.
The sole exception for this naturalized citizen is that being POTUS is denied them due to their alien parentage and yet they have the knowledge that their children will have that privilege under qualifying conditions.