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To: MamaTexan; All

OK. Vattel’s Law of Nations contains 68 chapters. It is a very large tome. It makes sense that the founders of our country would value such a reference. Out of possibly a million and a half words, how many times do you think natural born citizen is mentioned? NOT ONCE - not in the original and not in the translated version. You listed quite a few words in your post but I didn’t see it once either and that is my point.

I said in a previous post show me a quote from anyone that attributed NBC to Vattel. In his book, Vattel stated that the “naturels” or “indigenes” were those born in a country of parents who were citizens. And he added, “I say that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

That is the extent of it and, granted, it is different from what the colonists subscribed to but that doesn’t prove the framers accepted that translation of citizenship. A dozen words and you people have created a movement to suit your agenda. This book was mainly about forming treaties, ambassadors, trade issues, etc.

Let me sum this up. If Vattel’s phrase had never been translated “natural born citizens,” and if “natural born” was a well-known, long-standing term that had been used for centuries to describe subjects of England — not just in England itself but also in the American colonies — and if we have no record whatsoever that actually says that any Founding Father or Framer of the Constitution ever relied on Vattel for the meaning of the term… one begins to wonder why exactly it’s claimed that the meaning came from Vattel?


83 posted on 04/29/2012 5:43:18 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Out of possibly a million and a half words, how many times do you think natural born citizen is mentioned? NOT ONCE - not in the original and not in the translated version.

You didn't look very hard.

THE LAW OF NATIONS / Emmerich de Vattel / Book I / CHAP. XIX.
Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

85 posted on 04/29/2012 7:26:34 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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