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To: Notary Sojac; BrandtMichaels

***Rather, I was using the value of pi as a surrogate for all the universal constants which govern physics (and which are sometimes used as evidence of intelligent design)****

Jeremiah 33:25 -

“But this is what the Lord says: I would no more reject my people than I would change my laws that govern night and day, earth and sky.”

They are God’s laws.

Where do you think the laws and constants in the universe come from? From an evolutionary worldview it is all a great cosmic accident. All of the order in the universe came out of the disorder of a big explosion... in complete violation of the 2nd law of Thermo.

In a Biblical (or for that matter ID) worldview it makes a whole lot more sense.

Despite all of the rantings and insults that Creationists and ID proponents get from the evolutionist crowd, science actually proves the existence of a Creator....

One of these statements is true:

1. Matter/Energy do not exist.
2. Matter/Energy are eternal.
3. Matter/Energy spontaneously generated out of nothing.
4. Matter/Energy were created.

Option #1 is falsified by the Scientific Method.
Matter & Energy are observed everyday.

Option #2 is falsified by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics which states that energy is running down and we will eventually have no usable energy left. At that point we will suffer “heat death”....the sun can not burn forever, it will eventually run out of fuel. If the universe were eternal, this would have happened already.

One more thing on this.... secular science is all-in on the Big Bang theory, admitting that there was a beginning and therefore the universe is not eternal.

Option #3 - Spontaneous generation is falsified by the 1st Law of Thermodynamics (By natural processes, energy cannot be created or destroyed), The Law of the Conservation of Matter (By natural processes, matter cannot be created or destroyed although it can change form) and the Law of Cause and Effect (every effect must have a greater and preexistent cause).

That leaves us with Option #4... that matter and energy were created. This does not violate any natural law and is the only available option we have left.

Natural law itself has falsified all the other options..... Naturalists, who believe only in nature and in nothing Supernatural have to ignore natural law to believe what they believe..... If you believe in a Creator, you’re accountable to Him... and they’re not having any of that.

Thought you might like this quote from a Nobel Prize winning Harvard neurobiologist, George Wald:

“When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility...Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved one hundred years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spellanzani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion — that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God...I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.”

Romans 1:19-22 -

19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools

Way deep down inside even the most ardent atheist knows there’s a Creator.


143 posted on 05/23/2012 10:27:27 AM PDT by schaef21
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To: schaef21
Is it possible for a Christian to believe that the Creator accomplished his work incrementally, over millions of years??

Because as I posted above, it's not the concept of a creator that is inherently unacceptable to me.

What's unacceptable is the literal Genesis timeline.

144 posted on 05/23/2012 11:03:59 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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