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Trayvon Martin / Zimmermann case gets weaker every day. New Negative Revelations.
Source? Friends and Fiends.

Posted on 04/23/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by MindBender26

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To: MindBender26
"...when Martin slammed Zimmerman's head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself,..."

Article restating the obvious. Zimmerman has the right to defend himself with deadly force if Martin attempts to slam his head in the concrete. Not afterwards. He didn't have to succeed for Zimmerman to be justified in using deadly force.

21 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:04 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: spacejunkie2001

hehe :DD


22 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:23 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MindBender26

If, for some reason, SYG is not applicable (and I have some doubts on that point), the AWDW/SD argument will be made. IF Zimmerman’s attorney has even a glimmer of competence.


23 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:26 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: gaijin

LMAO!!!!


24 posted on 04/23/2012 2:45:22 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MindBender26
The Sanford P.D. got it right the first time.

This incident was made to order for a racial conflict crisis and as Rahm Emanuel said "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before".

Liberals don't like Florida's gun laws and they absolutely hate the SYG law. Add that to an upcoming election and they think they're in high cotton.

25 posted on 04/23/2012 2:46:25 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: mamelukesabre

Didn’t you hear? - Obama is involved in this case and he is a white African - just like Zimmerman who is a white Hispanic.


26 posted on 04/23/2012 2:46:59 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: MindBender26

“when Martin slammed Zimmerman’s head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself, with deadly force if necessary, regardless of what had happened up to that point. “

That’s been my unqualified opinion all along just based on common sense. No matter what Zim did, right or wrong (short of unprovoked murder 1 which did not happen here) it was all null and void when Mr Hoodie decided to bang Zim’s head into the concrete because he did not like the way he was being looked at and followed by an official resident of the community. That to me is deadly force and no different then pulling a gun or knife.


27 posted on 04/23/2012 2:48:30 PM PDT by Craigon
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To: Buckeye McFrog
My understanding is that, under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, the answer is yes.

I don't think Stand Your Ground applies.

It's more like the "Getting Beat Down Into The Ground" law...

28 posted on 04/23/2012 2:49:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: goseminoles
No one ever said being a judge was risk free.

I have a good friend, now retired, who packed heat under his robe every day in court.

29 posted on 04/23/2012 2:50:09 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: MindBender26
He was much more of a breathalyzer technician...

Did Trayvon pass?

30 posted on 04/23/2012 2:50:50 PM PDT by moovova
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To: MindBender26

Has Zimmerman even claimed protection under the SYG law? Since Zimmerman claims to have been sucker punched and gone down, how does this law even enter into this case?


31 posted on 04/23/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: goseminoles

Anyone threatening a judge will find a host of LE types on their doorstep. Judges are REAL QUICK to drop the hammer on those who threaten them.

Other citizens, not so much.

So, if this judge is ethical, he will toss this out.


32 posted on 04/23/2012 2:52:07 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: chris37

Brilliant post!!!LOL!!

You have me terrified to get out of my car now!ha.


33 posted on 04/23/2012 2:53:41 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: MindBender26

How are the crime stats in the neighborhood since the night of the incident?

Nobody has seemed to question if in fact Trayvon had been burglarizing the neighborhood.


34 posted on 04/23/2012 2:54:14 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Roccus
Since Zimmerman claims to have been sucker punched and gone down, how does this law even enter into this case?

Kind of hard to retreat while supine, I agree. You've already given as much ground as the circumstances allow. IMO.

35 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:02 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Roccus
Has Zimmerman even claimed protection under the SYG law? Since Zimmerman claims to have been sucker punched and gone down, how does this law even enter into this case?

Zimmerman is entitled to a special hearing and could get the charges dropped a lot sooner, even if he didn't have to rely on SYG, otherwise.

36 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I don’t know florida rules but,.... pretty much anyone can collect evidence. There are standard rules for collecting and if the rules are followed, it can be admitted into court. I can train anyone to collect evidence and as long as they can prove custoday, chain of evidence, and detail the steps they took in the collection, it will be admittede.


37 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:33 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: moovova

Trayvon was not exhaling much when they “examined” him.


38 posted on 04/23/2012 2:55:40 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: spacejunkie2001

I think O Mara’s seemingly nice guy image is one he has honed when being a TV analyst..and he does the ‘nice’ thing on purpose for the cameras.

As in, “Aw goly shucks..I guess we just don’t have the evidence. sorry.”


39 posted on 04/23/2012 2:56:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: moovova

The person to be examined has to exhale a big breath into the machine and Trayvon was not exhaling much when they “examined” him.


40 posted on 04/23/2012 2:56:32 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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