So we look up to our founders because they were NOT virtuous?
Washington wasn't a paragon on character?
Get a grip. Virtue is not a dirty word. If you don't want virtue, then you elect a pack of thugs from Chicago which is exactly who we have leading Gov't right now and which is why we are failing.
Your response proves you didn’t listen to the program, have no idea the point I was making, but you damned sure think of your self as righteous - but really its just naivete and self righteousness.