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A Vote of No Confidence in Europe [travel restrictions]
Spiegelonline ^ | 4/202012 | Carsten Volkery

Posted on 04/23/2012 12:15:29 AM PDT by bruinbirdman


Border sign posts in Strasbourg, France. With the EU's eastward expansion, its external borders have become more porous

Germany and France's joint proposal to allow Schengen-zone countries to temporarily reintroduce border controls as a means of last resort might sound harmless. But doing so would damage one of the strongest symbols of European unity and perhaps even contribute to the EU's demise.

Germany and France are serious this time. During next week's meeting of European Union interior ministers, the two countries plan to start a discussion about reintroducing national border controls within the Schengen zone. According to the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich and his French counterpart, Claude Guéant, have formulated a letter to their colleagues in which they call for governments to once again be allowed to control their borders as "an ultima ratio" -- that is, measure of last resort -- "and for a limited period of time." They reportedly go on to recommend 30-days for the period.

Of course, using catchphrases like "ultima ratio" and "limited period of time" is supposed to make such policies sound reasonable and proportionate. After all, the reasoning goes, it's just a few occasional border controls for up to 30 days. What's the big deal, right?

But the proposal is far from harmless and would throw Europe back decades. Since 1995, the citizens of Schengen-zone countries have gotten used to freely traveling within Continental Europe. Next to euro common currency, free movement is probably the strongest symbol of European unity. Indeed, for many people, it's what makes this abstract idea tangible in the first place.

Schengen Is Admittedly Imperfect

To throw this achievement into doubt now is a vote of no confidence in Europe. The fact that this proposal is coming in the middle

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeschism

1 posted on 04/23/2012 12:15:37 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

It would only be a matter of time beofr they went back up. Cross border car theft rings have increased greatly. They steal cars, strip them and sell the parts elsewhere.


2 posted on 04/23/2012 12:35:37 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Only reason for Schengen was to try and mix up the “nationalities” and push their “European identity” on everyone.


3 posted on 04/23/2012 12:52:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: bruinbirdman

I wouldn’t have expected a conservative website to have a pro-EU article on it. The EU like the NAU or any other trade block is just one step away from one world government. Millions of third worlders are pouring into Europe’s porous borders and nationalism is on the rise across the continent. Just because the US appears to have committed itself to national suicide doesn’t mean that Europe should follow.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 1:26:33 AM PDT by RDCOOPER101
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To: bruinbirdman

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5 posted on 04/23/2012 2:44:24 AM PDT by cinciella
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To: bruinbirdman
Since 1995, the citizens of Schengen-zone countries have gotten used to freely traveling within Continental Europe.

And some border spot checks are not going to change this one bit. The article is pure hyperbole. (Gee, hyperbole from Spiegel, what a surprise.)

6 posted on 04/23/2012 3:24:54 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: RDCOOPER101
“I wouldn’t have expected a conservative website to have a pro-EU article on it.”

Why not? The ostrich posture won't help us. Even conservatives need to keep up with what is going on with national sovereignty in Europe.

7 posted on 04/23/2012 4:40:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RDCOOPER101

We are getting Hispanics, they are getting muslims.

We have much more in common with the former than they do with the latter. And we don’t have the history of dealing with the latter in rather violent ways.

Europe will get interesting soon.


8 posted on 04/23/2012 7:37:29 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Thanks to Schickelgruber and Company, “Nationalism” became a dirty word.


9 posted on 04/23/2012 7:40:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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10 posted on 04/23/2012 9:50:25 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: redgolum

The historical population in America is European so I don’t see what the commonality is with Mexicans. Ever heard of the Mexican-American war? Whether it’s Muslims or Hispanics, the outcome will be the same and that will either be civil war, balkanization or the US dividing into different nations the way the Soviet Union did 20 years ago.


11 posted on 04/23/2012 12:37:46 PM PDT by RDCOOPER101
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Mexico is made up of decedents of the Iberian peninsula and other Western European nations who intermarried with local women. Their culture isn't the same as ours, but is much more similar to Spain and Portugal. Throw in cultural Roman Catholicism and you have many similar beliefs and traditions.

Europe decided to import muslims. Who have none of those characteristics. Mexicans have some of the same values as the Anglo-sphere, muslims are almost total aliens. Now I am not saying the importation of vast numbers of Hispanics was good, but then there is a strong line of thought that letting my people (Saxons/Germans) immigrate in was the end of the Republic. But neither caused as much problems and the Algerians in France.

12 posted on 04/23/2012 1:30:40 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

It’s historical fact and plain common sense that nations don’t survive without a national identity. Americas identity is based on Western Civilization and the historical population consists of people of European ancestry. Preserving America is one of the core tenants of conservatism not the kind of pseudo-conservatism that is mouthed off by rags like National Review, cheap labor corporate shills or LaRaza Republicans. I’m not under any illusions that the runaway immigration we’re experiencing is not obviously an attempt to dissolve America’s sovereignty and as a side benefit expand the rolls of the communist and socialist blocks in this country. If we don’t make some attempt to restore America and reiterate its Western roots and heritage like Europe is doing, America will cease to exist.


13 posted on 04/23/2012 4:39:33 PM PDT by RDCOOPER101
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First of all, you are right. Second, we are NOT the nation we were at the founding.

Successive waves of immigration have changed the make up of the land, and the culture. The USA was founded by Englishman (see Albion's Seed for an idea of that). The Scotch Irish, Irish, German, Italian, slave, and other waves radically changed the political make up of what became the US. In some ways, much more than the current Mexican wave. As I have said, many sociologists have stated that people from the Germanies settling in the Midwest and West changed the make up far more than any other group, and for the worse.

I am not saying letting poor, uneducated, Mexicans in is a good idea. I am simply saying that if you are trying to preserve a “National Identity”, that time is long gone. We have to many nations inside the USA to ever have one identity. And that will be the reason we fall.

14 posted on 04/23/2012 5:26:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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