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Nothing personal (and I mean it, because I really don’t know you) but I think that anyone with even a smidgen of abilty who has ever had the curiousity to take the time to see how things work in general, could fail to view that document and come to any other conclusion.

It isn’t even close.

I used to be a jet mechanic, and now work in imaging and have done so for a couple of decades, and while I have my faults, I can look at something and figure out how it was put together, and for the most part, how it works.

I have used Photoshop since 1992 and Illustrator since 1988, so I understand those technologies well enough to be conversant in them and create content from them as needed.

This is not bravado on my part. It is certainty, or as certain as I can get about anything like this. I am old enough to have struggled to repair malfunctioning typewriters, and have disassembled them, so I have a pretty good idea how THOSE work.

It is a fine document if you are going to flash it to get past a checkpoint or to use to get a job as a cook, if they needed a birth certificate.

Once one knows the problems with that particular document, is is impossible NOT to see them sticking out of the page.

Really. I am pretty angry because this guy now sits in the White House and is dismantling sectors of our economy and our society right in front of our eyes, and there isn’t a thing we can do about it. When I see this crappy forgery, and that is exactly what it is, it makes me even angrier, because if certain parties had done their damned job, we might be in the same place, but it wouldn’t be that terrorist-loving SOB doing the deliberate dirty work.

Again, if I seem angry, and I AM, it is directed at the parties that LET this happen and do nothing about it now.

I don’t know everything, and I am just as capable of being intellectually lazy and susceptible to incorrect information as anyone else. But because I accept up front that those are weaknesses, it helps me avoid falling into that pit, even though I still occasionally do.

But I take my responsibility as a citizen seriously, because if I don’t want to accept a spoon-fed conclusion from the likes of Dan Rather, I have to spend the time myself to view things critically, everything. That is what I have to do to stay informed without watching CBS or reading the Boston Globe. It is MY responsibility to do so, and I take it seriously.

It is one of the reasons I donate a monthy to FR, and when the money-raising is lax, I will kick in more. And then more.

Because, the truth is, there are all types on here. Some are sharp, some aren’t. Some are lazy, some aren’t. But we help each other view the issues of the day, and this issue is one of them.

I didn’t jump into a thread, read it and jump on the wagon. I have spent the better part of two years remaining impartial about certain issues as this forgery and viewing them on my own, coming to my own conclusions.

You either don’t think it is a forgery, or you don’t think that if it is, that it is important.

May I ask which it is?


145 posted on 04/23/2012 3:00:33 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel; x; DiogenesLamp
It is indeed amazing that many here on FR, some imaging experts, some like myself not, reached the same conclusions as Sheriff Joe's expert, Mr. Zullo, who conducted months of arduous research and thorough experimentation.

But The non-imaging evidence is well established:
(a)A Team Obama Attorney traveled to Honolulu, and was handed ... not a document ... but a digital file described at the time as an "ABSTRACT" of data "on file" with the HDOH.
(b)What would normally be required was a "Certified Copy" of a Document on file with the HDOH.
(c) Many Americans have closed Real Estate Transactions and large loans, many more have registered cars, boats, airplanes, etc. in all of the states. What is required to close deals is "A CERTIFIED COPY" of a "DOCUMENT" (Titles, Deeds, etc) on file. One cannot "ABSTRACT" information and recast it oneself as a legal document of another kind.
Abstracts of titles, deeds, debentures, etc. are valid legal documents insofar as they are useful in arranging a transaction and for general information. But in order to be complete and certain, a "Certified Copy" or the original documents themselves are always demanded.

Why would an attorney travel to Honolulu to pick up a digital abstract, when a Certified Copy could have been made, and either electronically telefaxed or to be ironclad in certainty, couriered to DC overnight? This drama was part of the mysterious fog that has settled over this issue. What is the mystery here? This is done everyday! Ask your broker. Your bank. A clerk at DMV!

After this at least suspicious non-imaging information available to any non-expert, none of which is in dispute .... experts can take over to quite easily show exactly how The WH Team took the abstracted digital files transferred from the HDOH and recast them as if that data were a certified copy of the Birth Certificate. They even went so far as to reproduce the carefully culled data onto digital "Safety Paper" to make them "look more official," cutting and pasting as they went along.

It is wonderful that experts in digital imaging can confirm this trail of deceit and demonstrate how it was done. However just as one need not be a chicken to judge a rotten egg, some of the tricks are also painfully obvious to any non-expert who ever bought a copy of Photoshop, or Corel Draw, or Illustrator.

One damning fact wraps this up: There is no "Certified Copy" of the LFBC Document because all the evidence tends to point toward the conclusion that there is no LFBC Document. None of which proves of course, that the man was not born in Hawaii, but that the proof he offers is suspect.

The entire charade was orchestrated, IMHO, to divert the attention of the American People away from the fact that since the man's father was a foreigner, he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen.We cannot prove he was not born in Hawaii while the charade continues, just as he cannot prove that he was!

146 posted on 04/23/2012 4:42:14 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: rlmorel
I came across people trying to tell me that because the letters (the r's, or p's, or t's, etc.) weren't all exactly the same it was the sign of some kind of photoshop forgery with letters cut and pasted from other documents.

They didn't realize that the amount of ink a letter key of a manual typewriter left on the paper can vary so the letter may look different. They didn't realize that with documents written with a manual typewriter the instances of a given letter had better not all look exactly alike.

An FBI expert can tell the difference between letters typed with the same key and those from another make of typewriter, but if one letter looks thicker to you or me that's not in itself a sign of forgery. It may just be a matter of a little more ink on the key.

It certainly isn't a sign of an inept forger who took images from obviously different documents and pasted them together on photoshop. Wouldn't a half-way intelligent forger, someone even of modest intelligence know not to do that?

Then there were people who assumed the signature was a poor imitation of a modern felt-tip pen. They didn't know about fountain pens and the traces they left behind.

There were people who assumed that curvature on the image was a sign of forgery, rather than the result of copying a document that was bound in a book, and people who said letters didn't line up in a place where they did.

It matters if it's a a forgery. I personally don't know if it's a forgery or not. Perhaps it isn't. But if it is, it's a better forgery than those people thought.

Having seen people fall for all kinds of erroneous theories, I discount all this "obvious forgery" talk. It comes across as arrogant bravado, if you've followed the story up to now.

Nothing personal here. If you are an expert, fine. But you'd better have a knowledge of all those old manual or analogue technologies, as well as the modern digital ones. You should recognize that talking about "obvious fraud" leads people to assume that they don't have to acquire that knowledge.

147 posted on 04/23/2012 5:00:21 PM PDT by x
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