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To: mick

I’m not your friend, so stop using that obnoxious device.

As I’ve said in other posts, I thing the lady is wrong, but she has standing to do whatever the hell she pleases. You don’t have standing to tell me how to feel about the bastards who have murdered my people over the centuries, culminating in the Nazi genocide. You especially don’t have standing to tell me to adopt a Christian attitude to these events, perpetrated in large part by “good” Christians. Where the hell was their spirit of forgiveness?

You really don’t understand basic concepts. A blood libel is when a false accusation is made to justify persecution, including mob violence and murder. My accusation against the Christian countries of Europe over the centuries is true. Even the Church has acknowledged this and apologized. When Jews call Christians on these unpleasant facts, it is not a blood libel against Christians because the accusations are true and we don’t use them to justify violence and murder of Christians.

You are also using the concept of collective guilt incorrectly. Again, the bad kind of collective guilt is when the Nazis used the “crimes” of one or two people (such as trying to hide food) to burn an entire village in the synagogue. There absolutely is collective guilt of the German (and other) people because the vast masses either eagerly participated in real crimes against humanity or sat quietly by and let it happen.

I don’t make any judgments about how G-d, in his own good time, will sort out the price that might yet be exacted from the Germans or Christians of today. That’s entirely up to Him. In the end, I knew you’d finally get to it: Get over the holocaust Juden! Screw you.


63 posted on 04/16/2012 3:07:48 PM PDT by JewishRighter (Anybody but Hussein)
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To: JewishRighter
A little bit of the New Testament might do us both some good, friend. The first verse for your instruction. The second for mine.

Matthew 7:4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

64 posted on 04/17/2012 7:07:43 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: JewishRighter
There absolutely is collective guilt of the German (and other) people because the vast masses either eagerly participated in real crimes against humanity or sat quietly by and let it happen.

Sorry to say but it is human nature, unless it's happening to you, close a blind eye. Today you can see it with abortion. I stood outside of a place where babies are butchered for years and years, but very, very few did. Because these babies are being killed behind "clinic" doors, by people with white coats, who are socially sanctioned to do so, and "it doesn't really affect me", who cries for them? They are being brutally, and shamelessly murdered almost every day in many cites in America, while people drive by and don't even notice. People's ability to sin and tolerate sin shows how very evil, even some of the seemingly best of people actually are. The really amazing thing is that God loves us so much that He gave His Only Begotten Son for us.

Also, it is really not known how many average Germans were aware of what was really going on. Even the Jews, from my understanding, didn't know what was going on, but often thought that they were being relocated. Many even thought, as they entered the evil gas chambers, that they were merely going to receive a shower. I could be wrong about some of this, as I was not a witness, nor am an expert in the history of Germany at that time.

Jesus taught love, even loving your enemy. Being a Christian means being Christ like. Jesus forgave those who killed Him, from the cross, as He hung and died. If someone isn't following Christ's teachings, but calls themselves a Christian, they are not acting as one. Jesus said that only a few would actually find their way onto the straight and narrow way, but that there would be many on Judgement Day who, though they thought that they knew Him, He will say to them, "I never knew you".

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Mathew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mathew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Luke 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Luke 6:29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the [one] cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not [to take thy] coat also.

Luke 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask [them] not again.

Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Luke 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

Luke 6:34 And if ye lend [to them] of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.

Luke 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

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Mathew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mathew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mathew 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

66 posted on 04/18/2012 9:28:26 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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