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To: mick

Forgiveness of evil is evil. Evil is encouraged and perpetuated by the notion that there can be forgiveness no matter what evil is perpetrated. Even today, there is evil afoot that looks upon the foolishness of this kind of forgiveness and bares its fangs knowing that, through this forgiveness, the Western world has surrendered it ability to confront evil and call it by its true name (hint: Jihad).

You draw a false connection between the spirit of forgiveness and feelings of hatred and revenge. One can refuse to forgive without being consumed by hatred or revenge. As my father, a concentration camp survivor and others have said, it is not for us to forgive the horror that has been visited upon millions of other people. Believe me, he has feelings of hatred and revenge, but they are not held close in his heart. They are based on the notion of justice: it is just to hate evil and it is doing justice to exact revenge.

We have hardly yet seen the vengeance of the living G-d for what the Nazis have done. Before the true age of Moshiach (the Jewish Messiah) can be ushered in, there will be an accounting that will make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like picnics.


22 posted on 04/15/2012 6:32:16 PM PDT by JewishRighter (Anybody but Hussein)
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To: JewishRighter

Are you calling this woman evil for forgiving the evil of the Nazis? Or just a stupid old lady?


26 posted on 04/15/2012 6:40:48 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: JewishRighter

Forgiveness is the personal decision to not spend any mental or physical effort to seek the punishement of the offender. It does not speak to the guilt or innocence of the offender nor does it mean others are prevented from pursuing punishment themselves. It is one way victims can find some semblence of normalcy and move on.


35 posted on 04/15/2012 7:03:39 PM PDT by mongrel
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To: JewishRighter

This is about as confused a philosophy as I’ve read here. Worse, it’s a declaration that is made with (a pretense to) authority. It’s a frustrated bleating ventilation of emotion. If it has a basis in Divinity, please cite it. (Islam is off-Limits).


37 posted on 04/15/2012 7:08:11 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: JewishRighter
The basis of forgiveness, for we humans, is the knowledge of our own sinfulness. If you read Scripture you would find that if God held you fully accountable to His law that you would also be damned. God forgives us, who compared to Him who is absolutely, one hundred percent perfect, are filth and depravity. For us to forgive is healing to our own souls.

The Germans who did the terrible things that they did, do we know that if we were in the exact same situation as they, with the same indoctrination, we would be different? In a normal world they would likely have been normal, probably fairly decent people. That is not to say that what they did isn't as horrible as horrible can be. It is to say "there but by the grace of God go I". The human heart is capable of great wickedness, given the opportunity, because of our fallen nature.

Because God, who is perfect, is willing to forgive us (by His own Son's death whose shed blood paid for our sins), we can forgive others, no matter how terrible their sins against us are. There were those who had been in the camps, who lost love ones and had been the victims of immense cruelty, who forgave those who had harmed them, even to their faces. There are those who were forgiven who repented in tears and who lives were changed. It is possible and good to forgive, even the most unforgivable, with the help of God's Spirit, and by His grace, which is unmerited favor, knowing that He, who is absolute perfection, is willing to forgive us.

56 posted on 04/16/2012 1:18:35 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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