Bearing that in mind I now have the choice of dropping out as many here appear to be doing or staying in the fray aligning myself with Rush Limbaugh,other leaders of the New Media and doing my best to save a country that has been under attack for the past three and a half years and will be hard pressed to survive another four years of obamamarxism.
Third parties really are not a viable option at this point of the game. At least for me.
I still contend that we have made remarkable progress in fast tracing conservatism into the mainstream of American life in many ways.
Truth is the country is center right. If we begin to get our message out there are few in the country that will not grasp it.
Much of the angst against Romney is the theory that he has done so and so in the past and that's all we have to go for the future.
I suggest that we are living in extraordinary times. It's indeed possible that even though we may elect a rino President he may govern more to the right than we are aware. Romney has a huge business background its probably logical to think that his approach to governing an entire nation will bring much of that business background to play and given the right advisors after four years of of Romney there is little question in my mind that the nation will be far better off than four more years of an avowed Marxist/communist.
IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me.
For me,I simply can't do one thing that will "intentionally" help the dear leader to get reelected.
One of the best posts on this entire thread. Well done Rodguy.
[[I suggest that we are living in extraordinary times. It’s indeed possible that even though we may elect a rino President he may govern more to the right than we are aware.]]
What othjer choice do we have IF we don’’t want a socialist (obama) baqck in office for another 4 years at which point he would go hog wild enacting laws that violate our constitutional rights? Those in this thread declarign they are goign to abstain from voting for romney, are pretty much ensuring that obama will serve another 4 years- what they are doing is called ‘cutting off the nose to spite the face’.
Yes, Ronmeny is NOT the optimal choice- Heck NONE of the GOP candidates were optimal- not even close- ALL were lairs- ALL flip flopped- ALL were career politicians- And Yes, Romeny is the worst of the bunch- However, He’s our ONLY chance of defeating a DANGEROUS SOCIALIST hell bent on destroyin this coutnry for his own gain.
voting for someone else who has no chance of defeating obama is throwing away votes- period- Folks can argue all day long that their ‘protest vote’ won’;t harm the GOP’s chance to defeat obamsa but the palin truth is that it WILOL harm his chances-
Like you say- Romney is not ideal, however he will be NOWHERE NEAR as dangerous a president as obama has already been and threatens to be if he gets antyoehr 4 years to go absolutely wild with his socialist agenda- and he is just chomping at hte bit waiting to be reelected to do just that-p Hell- He even revealed to the russians that that is exactly what he was waitign for- reelection so that he woudl be ‘unrestrained’ to unleash his socialist ideals
IF that’s what those in this thread want to risk by throwing away their votes by voting for osmeoen with no chance to win out of some kidn odf distorted principle- then I’ve lost all hope that this coutnrty wil ever be capable of doign hte right hting again-
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First, let me begin by saying that all BS aside, I really do understand the position you and others are coming from. I don’t agree, but it is your choice to make and I would never dispute that.
“IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me.”
I have no doubt that Obama will go full commie dictator. I think it would be unsupportable to think otherwise based on his actions, his ‘culture’ (alynski etc) and his stated goals. I do not think Romney would follow the style of Obama, but again, based on his actual in office political record, his flip flop diametrically opposed policy positioning on any given subject and his ‘off field’ antics over they years, I am just as convinced that we would end up in the very same place. But we will have taken a more ‘acceptable’ for lack of a better term, path to it. AKA he will just sugar coat the communism/cronyism.
“For me,I simply can’t do one thing that will “intentionally” help the dear leader to get reelected.”
I do not want him re-elected either. But IMO, because I believe (above), I think, while there will be differences in on the ground destruction, the result will be the same. In SOME ways even worse since the great collapse will come under Republican/”self described conservative” governance.
Who would ever again trust a Republican or conservative (Though he’s not close to one, everyone is being told he is and so they will believe it)? So we get the double whammy.
“Third parties really are not a viable option at this point of the game. At least for me.”
I think it would be possible, but because there are not enough of us willing to do the monumental work that would be required in such a short time (organization/cash etc), then realistically no, I don’t think it’s anything but a dream. We COULD have done it starting in 2008, or with great effort, even 2010. But now is most probably not possible without divine intervention.
“I still contend that we have made remarkable progress in fast tracing conservatism into the mainstream of American life in many ways.”
I agree completely. Talking with my 22 YO daughter, many of her acquaintances in and out of the military share a surprising number of our conservative values. Granted they are not hard Reaganites, but many are not buying the full boat liberal lie. They see the damage Zero has done and other lib disasters and they do not want it.
“Truth is the country is center right. If we begin to get our message out there are few in the country that will not grasp it.”
I agree. ‘Our’ message has always resonated generally well. But as you know, getting it out through the fog of the MSM is and always will be the thing slowing it. Thankfully the net/new media is making great strides, but they too are being co-opted as the MSM learns the ropes. Papers and TV/movies are a lost cause. IMO, we should abandon all hope for them and concentrate our efforts online. As Ipads flourish, so too will the MSM power wane.
“Much of the angst against Romney is the theory that he has done so and so in the past and that’s all we have to go for the future.”
IMO, we can only judge a man by his record. I agree that none of us can ‘know’ with ant certainty what he will do. I could be totally mistaken and he could be a good president. But I think the angst is well founded because over the years, he (without rehashing the details) is who he is. And that ‘is’ leads me to conclude that any change of heart would be in the intrests of Mitt Romney/his associates and not the country, even our allies. Again, I’m himan and can be totally 100% mistaken. But like you, I’m willing to gamble that I am not and am aware of the price of being wrong.
“I suggest that we are living in extraordinary times. It’s indeed possible that even though we may elect a rino President he may govern more to the right than we are aware. Romney has a huge business background its probably logical to think that his approach to governing an entire nation will bring much of that business background to play and given the right advisors after four years of of Romney there is little question in my mind that the nation will be far better off than four more years of an avowed Marxist/communist.”
I think he would govern in a more capitalist than Marxist way, true. But it’s they type of capitalism he enspouses that concerns me. Romney, from what I have seen/read/researched is the definition of a crony capitalist. And while the hard nosed businessman is one of the qualities we need right now, the negative aspects of that are not. In fact, they are the very same ‘capitalism’ as practiced in the former USS and modern China.
Personally I see little difference in Obama Running GM or Romney. And by that I mean everything that goes along with/enables it. His bailout/TARP type beliefs ect. When Bush began traveling that road, we railed him for it. It was the worst aspect of his presidency, again, IMO - but one I’ve seen many here agree with.
This also ties in to the albatross aspect discussed above. Already the Dems are pushing the “Mandate is a Conservative idea” meme. And MR is the man who believes “Mandates work”. Mandate and free enterprise are not comparable things. And it would be a Repub/Con at the help saying they are and instituting them. Whether it’s health or hardware.
“IN truth the potential for obama to destroy even more of America using only Presidential powers alone remains a scary scenario for me. To think that Mitt Romney would take the same path with Presidential powers as obama is not rational for me. For me,I simply can’t do one thing that will “intentionally” help the dear leader to get reelected.”
I understand. I really do. But based on the considerable information I have read on these two ‘candidates’ I am forced to conclude that Romney is every bit as bad, in different ways granted, but every bit as bad as Obama for this country. Again, we both know the details so no need to rehash, but to me, item for item, they cross cancel. Their ‘intangibles’ are likewise. Dealable for one, disaster for the other and vice versa.
No mater which we end up with, and hopefully Newt will find enough support so this ends up a theoretical exercise to begin with, I hope what emerges from the end result is salvageable.