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To: fruser1

What is your opinion - should Trevor Dooley have been charged with manslaughter (older man in a fight in the park with a much younger, stronger, and bigger individual)?

Have we reached the point in which shooting down an unarmed person in a public place is not sufficient evidence to charge an individual? Issues such as Trayvon and George’s state of mind during the altercation are matters for the jury along with all the physical evidence collected. George’s story is that he shot Trayvon while on his back being assaulted by Trayvon (kind of like Trevor Dooley). Even with those facts in place how the altercation first started is still a matter for the jury including whether Trayvon was justified in using force first because he was afraid for his life?


31 posted on 04/11/2012 12:22:02 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: exhaustguy

So, you are just standing there and a Mr Universe type walks up to you and says; “I’m gonna rip off your head and beat you to death with it.” And then he lunges at you.

Yeah, I’d say you can shoot the guy and you don’t even have to take the first punch.

Physical size is an affirmative defense for the use of deadly force.

You may put more value in the life of a thug or bad guy, and turn your life over to same, to let him decide if you live or die, but not me.

Opinions may differ.


39 posted on 04/11/2012 12:29:06 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: exhaustguy
>"how the altercation first started"

Blacks are starting to feel offended as often as their slave masters the moose.

How it started it the perpetual anger the ENEMEDIA has drilled into Black folks heads!

They just look at Whitey, and get murder lust.

Some of us are gonna shoot if attacked, and the attackers are gonna die.

Tray picked the wrong knockout target, and failed his first punch.

47 posted on 04/11/2012 12:37:19 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: exhaustguy

[[Have we reached the point in which shooting down an unarmed person in a public place is not sufficient evidence to charge an individual?]]

you are leavign several key facts out apaprently in order to support your contention that everyoen should be arrested when a shooting oocures-

1: Zimmerman shot trayvon AFTER Trayvon tried to kill him and tried to grab his gun from him (which was STILL HOLSTERED at that point)

2: Witnesses have coem forward and corroborated Zimmerman’s account of the fight

3: Injuries to AZimmerman corroborate his account that he was assaulted and an attempt was made on his life.

Have we reached a point in this copuntry qwhere we IGNORE trhe evidfence anbd justy charge everyone invovled with murder if a shooting occures regardless of whether or not it was justifiable homicide?


72 posted on 04/11/2012 1:26:29 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: exhaustguy
exhaustguy said: "Have we reached the point in which shooting down an unarmed person in a public place is not sufficient evidence to charge an individual?"

Juries get to decide whether the facts presented during the trial prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant committed a crime.

The judge in the case must not turn over to a jury the power to decide guilt or innocence if the prosecution failed to provide sufficient facts to prove their case.

The presumption of innocence must prevail unless the prosecution can present some evidence that is not consistent with self defense.

What would that evidence be?

It can't be that Zimmerman admitted a racial bias, because the audio tapes of him mentioning race were doctored to hide the fact that Zimmerman never brought up race.

It can't be that Zimmerman showed no indications of injury, because the main stream media failed to report that enhancement of the videos did show injuries.

If there was really evidence that was inconsistent with a claim of self defense, it is extremely likely that we would have heard of it already.

If the prosecution fails to present sufficient evidence that a crime was committed, even if all the facts alleged by the prosecution are believed, then the judge is obligated to dismiss the case. There would be no role for the jury.

84 posted on 04/11/2012 1:55:48 PM PDT by William Tell
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