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To: CharlesWayneCT

He might have been satirical - I haven’t made up my mind yet.

But, let’s take some other statistics and take people (of any race) completely out of it.

There are a few people killed every few years by bears in the US. This has been true for centuries. Reading the Lewis and Clark journals, especially when they got into western Montana and met the Grizzly Bear, make for humorous reading these days.

Now, let’s say you’re a person who enjoys the outdoors.

You meet a bear.

What do you do?

Which informs your policy? The number of times that bears run from humans, or the maulings and deaths you read about? Do you carry arms or pepper spray in preparation for meeting a bear if you hike in bear country?

If the latter, congratulations, you’ve met the test for evolutionary stereotyping. You see a few events with maximal consequences, your brain says “Hmmm. Might want to learn something from that and formulate a pretty drastic response to ward off possibly lethal outcomes...”

Now, where bears are concerned, one might laud the aforementioned stereotyping as coherent and rational self-preservation policy and it isn’t too terribly controversial. Those who differ would claim that carrying arms or pepper spray is an “overreaction” and they might choose to wear bells or make noise, etc. Still, they’re forced to admit that there can be problems when one stumbles into the wrong place at the wrong time with bears. No one gets shouted down over this issue, we agree on the general facts that bears are apex predators and they can (and do) maul and kill humans.

Let’s now switch back to the subject at hand. Only the delusional deny that there are incidents where whites targeted for their race by blacks. Only the delusional will go walking through certain urban black neighborhoods while being white or Asian. I personally got “the talk” from a little old lady who happened to be black when I was in DC. I was walking southeast out of the capitol district, crossed a street (can’t remember which) and she was waiting for the orthogonal light on the other side of my street. Upon arriving on her corner, she buttonholed me immediately and told me “Son, turn around and go back where from you came. Please.” And she explained why, and I suspect in today’s racial huckster environment, she’d be shouted down.

I followed her advice and, when my light came again, I reversed course.

Now, was she offering advice based on statistics or individuals? I rather suspect she was operating off statistics and likelihoods. And that’s simply smart policy, as with bears in the woods. You might not know every bear. You can’t predict every outcome with every bear. But you can look at the stats and say “There is a significant, non-zero likelihood of potential great bodily harm, assault or even death by ignoring the statistics and going into certain places.”

The recent incidents of black wildings would appear to dispute your assertion that “...neither a random white or a random black are likely to kill anybody.” Let’s not worry about being killed, specifically, but broaden the spectrum of crimes to include assault, rape, robbery, etc.

But three examples out of many more:

http://www.ajc.com/news/in-teen-beating-death-735285.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2009109978_apusiowacitybeatings.html

And the events in Philly, which I’m sure you’ve heard more about in your news markets.

Another would be the flash mob of black youths robbing a store near the Martin rallies in Florida recently.

The point is, these events are on a rapid upwards trend. People want to ignore the national trend of flash mobs of black youths robbing stores, beating people on streets and in crowded venues, but they’re real, they’re not specific to one urban area and they’re on the increase. They’re attacking at random, in broad daylight. All of this should be uncontested statistical fact, but too many people want to look the other way and pretend it isn’t happening.

Derb appears to have been cataloging these events, if in no other way than having a good memory for news stories, and offering rational advice, based upon what he sees happening and possibly extrapolating beyond the time of his death, which might be near at hand from what I’ve read. He’s a man who no longer need suffer any fools, and he has the ultimate liberty to speak his mind... and I believe he just did so.


260 posted on 04/08/2012 10:22:38 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

I wouldn’t argue about a trend. But I find the Bear analogy useful, for another reason. A Bear is a known predator. That would be equivalent to arguing that you would avoid going down a block that is marked with gang symbols, something I would completely agree with.

The problem is that blacks, as a race, are not predators. And we would like to ostracize those that are, and encourage those that are not, and in general push society toward a tolerance and peaceableness that would make all of our lives better.

Stereotypes that suggest the “standard practice” should be to avoid a race because of the actions of a few do not help bring society to where we all want it to be. It instead reinforces the bad behavior we want to discourage. It is similar to accepting 8+% unemployment as the “new normal”. I don’t want to accept that random street riots are normal.

I don’t believe there is something inherent in a particular race that causes them to join packs and brutally attack other races without cause or provocation. I want to believe this is an aberration, caused by environment, specifically the racist environment of the liberals who encourage black 2nd-classness and send the message that we cannot expect better of minorities.

I was watching a Quantum Leap last night, about the south in the 60s. The young up-and-coming black was going to be lynched, and Sam Beckett tried to stop it by encouraging the blacks to just not go protest for their rights, because the KKK was waiting for them and would hang people.

The blacks agreed — but that was giving in to the fear and status quo; in fact, the blacks had to stand up for their rights, and that did lead to them being killed, but also to an advancement in race relations that was thwarted by liberals but was a good start.

What if thousands of whites walked through that DC neighborhood? A few might be killed, but if more were killed, people would take notice, and it would upset people, the police would have to act, and in time the streets would be safe for whites. I hate the idea that we have given up our freedom for security.


312 posted on 04/09/2012 2:33:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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