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To: gogogodzilla
Nahh, Santorum just thinks that he’s running for the second coming of Christ.


Sounds like you don't like Christians. Rick does not deserve this. So many of you guys slam Rick because he has faith. Some people around here acts like dumocrat who listens to the obama media and regurgitates it. Do you believe what the obama media and the establishment rinos say about Rick? Have you ever heard a complete speech by Rick? Rick give a great stump speech. Are you pro-abortion or pro-gay? Is Rick NOT suppose to mention that? It is a great issue to bring up and remind people that obama (and romney) are for abortion up to 9 months in the womb. I assume you don't believe in God, otherwise you would have a heathy fear of Him. Either that, or you are a mormon.

195 posted on 04/03/2012 8:23:58 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances; gogogodzilla
Sounds like you don't like Christians. Rick does not deserve this. So many of you guys slam Rick because he has faith. Some people around here acts like dumocrat who listens to the obama media and regurgitates it. Do you believe what the obama media and the establishment rinos say about Rick? Have you ever heard a complete speech by Rick? Rick give a great stump speech. Are you pro-abortion or pro-gay? Is Rick NOT suppose to mention that? It is a great issue to bring up and remind people that obama (and romney) are for abortion up to 9 months in the womb. I assume you don't believe in God, otherwise you would have a heathy fear of Him. Either that, or you are a mormon.

"Sounds like you don't like Christians." -- that's always the fallback position for Santorum supporters when someone says they object to Santorum bringing his theology to the government... I am a christian, and here are my religious reasons for NOT NOW OR EVER supporting Santorum.

"On Santorum: No, I’ve never met him. I’ve read about him, some of the corruption he is associated with, I’ve watched him, I’ve listened when he was disrespectful to his mentor for political expediency’s sake. I study his voting record. I know a charity of his gathered millions of dollars, and only spent 32% of their funds on the poor, for whose benefit the charity was formed; and that the normative ethical ratio is for most charities to spend 82% of their funds on their targeted constituency - while most of Santorum’s donations went to give his political friends cushy “charity” jobs. Good Neighbor, I think it was called.

I listened as this so-called “good” Christian man stood on a stage and said his character was the quality of character that Americans needed in the White House, unlike the character of others who had personal baggage in their past, without once mentioning the forgiving saving transforming power of Jesus Christ, who is the center of the faith Sanctimonium so piously professes to live by... and sets his principles upon...

If you are not a Christian, you can’t really appreciate what is so appalling and galling about the man, in light of true christians, who don’t abrogate the work of Christ with attempts at self righteousness attained by their outside of the cup persona and behaviors..

What you are doing, and why so many sincere Christians have great problems with Santorum, is he, as well as you, overlook how the transformative power an encounter with the True Christ impacts a man’s entire soul and being; he becomes a new creature in Christ Jesus, old things pass away, all things are made new.

Newt has confessed his sins, said he did things he is ashamed of, has sought to make reconciliation with the members of his family, and others he has hurt. He has blamed no one else but himself. He has come to a new and apparently cleansing faith in Christ Jesus and, most importantly, there is no evidence of any of the same behavioral sins in his life since this long journey of his repentance, rebirth, and renewal began.

And, yet, people cannot let the man leave his past behind. After 20 years - think of it - 20 years - there are still a majority of people in the press, politics - Santorum, and a lot of his supporters - who consider Newt the same man he was 20 years ago, and dare he try to take one step away from his past, to step into the new, as his faith promises him he can, they are there loudly, hypocritically, self-righteously to pull him right back. They won’t let him step away from his sinful past, though no apparent evidence of that sinful past exists any longer, or any evidence that he is the same man he was 20 years ago. He is being judged as the man he was - while that man no longer exists. He is, I repeat, a new creature in Christ Jesus.

Finally, Christians, who truly fully embrace and receive the saving work of Christ, who are transformed deeply, understand that Newt could have done all those things back then, even worse, and still today be a new creature in Christ Jesus - but no one, not Santorum, nor his minions, will allow for that, or accept that might ever be true.

So, the final finally: it says more about the people who can’t let Newt be this new creature many believing Christians trust he is, if only because they are likewise sinners, great sinners, saved and transformed by the same power that Newt claims has saved and transformed him.

It is religious bigotry, hard hearts, and people like Santorum, who behaviorally have hit many of the right notes in their outward lives, though it is hard to believe that is extensively true - I am sure we will find out - whose self-righteousness - whose pride in their outward manifestations of sinlessness, and acceptable conduct, that causes believing Christians to distance themselves from him, to see him as a hypocrite, saved more by his self-perceived good works than the miraculous, healing work of a Perfect Savior, by his love and tender mercy, towards those who are fully unworthy.

Santorum is about none of that, he is about a gospel of works and self denial, of earned salvation. Newt is simply a sinner being saved by by the gift of grace, he could never earn or be worthy of... through no goodness of his own... the same as most of those Christians who can’t support Santorum’s apostasy."

214 posted on 04/03/2012 8:55:33 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Linda Frances
So many of you guys slam Rick because he has faith.

It's people like you that put a bad name on "Christians" by that statement. Ricks "faith" is very much legalistic from all which he has stated in this primary. So on the matter of his faith he adheres to the leadership of the Catholic church. I suppose for Catholics that's a good thing...but is not a positive for me.

Christians often get as twisted in their thinking as liberals do.....we're voting for a President...and they are so caught up in SAntorums righteousness they have failed all along to see his record....and even remotely looked at anything he's accomplished.

So stop peddling the "Faith" of SAntorum.......Romney has faith...Newt has faith.... and many others....it's there track history we look at and Rick is all about social issues...that's it...and not enough to win this election...let alone the General.

221 posted on 04/03/2012 9:07:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: Linda Frances
Sounds like you don't like Christians.

No, I just don't like sanctimonious little know-it-alls who feel the need to tell me how I ought to live my life. I grew up and left home, so I no longer need anyone treating me like a child. And I sure and he!! don't like total strangers acting that way.

So many of you guys slam Rick because he has faith.

Again, no. I don't slam Rick for his faith. I slam Rick for trying to make it his Raison d'être.

Are you pro-abortion or pro-gay? Is Rick NOT suppose to mention that?

If you are a politician, you need to attract the most voters. The best way to do that and still maintain your core values is to turn those issues back over to the states and refuse to have the Federal government involved. Also, that becomes an added bonus, as you will also show yourself to be against the governmental behemoth we have now.

You don't go about it by spouting off that you want the federal government to make it illegal. For that makes you sound like you want the federal government to usurp a state issue (just like most Democraps).

I assume you don't believe in God, otherwise you would have a heathy fear of Him. Either that, or you are a mormon.

I predicted just this response in post #194. What next... is it time to burn the witch?

250 posted on 04/03/2012 9:48:53 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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