Posted on 04/02/2012 7:00:20 AM PDT by Cubs Fan
Edited on 04/02/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
You have a good point, but after a month, I would think that most of the bruising has gone away.
If he could put out photos from day 2 and 3, maybe he will get some of the pathetic press to back off. As for lynching, if I were Zimmerman, I would be very low key and in another state or country.
The leftist hate mobs are out for blood. No matter how innocent, the man’s life is in grave danger.
I've no idea. But if you have a few hundred $K in spare change and a suitable corner location, I'm sure they'd be happy to put you in touch with the proper people.
Do we have other examples of this architect’s award winning work?
I suspect that would be a "for sure!". According to their website, "a new 7-Eleven store opens for business somewhere in the world every 3.5 hours".
Witness statements and a doctor’s report corroborated his injuries, Lee said.Fox WTVT Tampa Bay, March 30th:
"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.
He described where the injuries were.
"I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen," he said.
Ask a grown up, I'm sure he will tell you that things are not so just because you want them to be.
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I wrote alternate possible scenarios based strictly on what we know, not on what I want to be true.
If you have a link to any legitimate statement from an eye-witness who saw the initial confrontation and the start of the fight then please provide it. I have no problem accepting any truth.
Absent that, you can be no more certain than anybody else.
Nope, Like I said my views, unlike yours, are based on the evidence. Its clear Zimmerman was punched in the nose and had his head slammed against the ground. Because Martin had no injuries to his body other than the gunshot by all appearances he was the aggressor and remained in control of the altercation until he was shot.
your speculations like-- MAYBE Zimmerman swung and missed at Martin, or MAYBE he pulled the gun and Martin came at him etc. could not make it past reasonable doubt in a fair trial.
Have a nice life.
Not to worry, no offence taken.
Wonder if class action defamation suit would apply w.r.t the nbpp, Jackson, sharpton, etc.
Butterdezillion, re your #146 about your hearing, and potlatch, your post also about your experience describes me to a T.
I too have had funny moments on account of mishearing...guess it balances things out. Now that I am older and around great folks (moved to Texas recently) I don’t get as angry about it anymore. Many thanks for your well written synopses!
Back to Martin, Zimmerman, the NBPP, the “reverends”, et al.... wonder what tack legally speaking we can take on NBPP and the “reverends”.
Class action, defamation, libel, slander, nonprofit status of their churches, tax evasion?
and all your posts are filled with the same--when the facts aren't on your side try to BS your way around them attitude of Johnny Cochran and unscrupulus liberal defense lawyers everywhere.
Is it any wonder with such "thinking" on your part here you're steadfastly on the liberal side of this one? They must love you over at DU.
Oh, it does apply. However, success of that suit will likely only happen in our dreams. (although I have been known to be wrong, once in a while)
Without an eyewitness to the start of the fight, everyone is just speculating, including the both of you, and me.
based on what you want to believe.
Once again, that includes EVERYONE, because we all use whatever info we can gather and come to a conclusion, often biased based on experience, because... that's how the mind works.
Consider this, if you both will.
Martin had Zimmerman on the ground (there is both evidence and testimony to that part) and (speculation) Martin grabbed for Zimmerman's gun, Zimmerman tried to keep him from taking it, and Martin is actually the one who pulled the trigger. Amateurs , such as young/innocent Martin, would grab from someone else by reaching for the trigger, using their thumb. Unfortunately, that leaves the gun still pointed at YOU.
We have the girlfriends statement that she told him to go home (evidence shows he was 100 yards from the house), and he told her he was going to confront this guy.
He could have called 911, or gone home. Instead, he chose to go pick a fight.
AM I WRONG?
Feel free to ignore my advice, but using derogatory attacks on another Freeper because they have a different opinion than you is like Martin doubling back and sneaking up on Zimmerman to teach him not to 'diss' an up and coming gang member. You are picking a fight.
The reason I come to FR is to find someone with a DIFFERENT OPINION. Have a debate with them, learn something along the way. Maybe even find out I'm wrong. Which is best, because then I learn something new for sure. But I try to respect my opponent.
Nancy Grace is a Fluke.
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I would be careful giving credence to the GF's statement...it is far worse for Zimmerman than Martin. Here's why...
In the statement she told him to run. Zimmerman's taped call confirms that he did run. That is an act of avoidance.
Zimmerman said on the tape that he lost sight of Martin.
She then states that Martin was being followed (still or again - all we know is that Zimmerman said he lost him - so how did they come face to face a second time?) It is then that she said that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman why he was following him. This is a perfectly legitimate thing to do and in Florida it comes under SYG.
The GF can't know who started the fight. but, if you give her statement credence then the question is; Why was Zimmerman following Martin after he had told the dispatcher that he lost him?
It also contradicts any speculation that Zimmerman returned to his truck and that Martin then attacked him.
So, again, be careful with her statement if you want to run with the 'Zimmerman stopped following then got jumped' speculation.
But what counts is what can be shown through testimony and evidence and how it weighs against reasonable doubt. Example- let's say Zimmerman testifies that TM hit him in the nose then got on top of him and smashed his head into the ground (the police report shows a bloody nose and cuts to the head, and a witness says they saw Martin on top of zimmerman.) Now lets say TM's defense attorney in closing says-- "I think Zimmerman swung at martin and missed, that's why martin hit him in the nose, it was self defense" Well maybe, but without testimony or evidence to support it this is speculation and would not surpass Zimmerman's presumption of innocence and the courts standard of reasonable doubt.
Hey, we Texans are friendly people!! You came to the right place.
I'm staying out of the Zimmerman/Trayvon discussions, don't like all the fighting and inaccuracies. Someone said it was 6 miles each way to the ‘skittles’ store, and turns out it was less than a mile. That stuff drives me crazy, lol.
>> “Doesn’t bruising require a beating heart and takes minutes to form? No apparent bruising would be expected for Martin.” <<
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Balderdash!
Haematomas and contusions are immediately visible.
>> “Funeral director in black community backs the party line that TM didn’t start fight - no bruising on hands.” <<
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Hands, and particularly knuckles, do not normally bruise that easily. I suspect that you’re misreading this. A mortician would know that his knuckles wouldn’t be bruised unless he had been hitting hard, abrasive objects.
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