Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor
As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?
A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.
His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
You are a liar and misrepresenting events even though you have been corrected many times.
According to the witness you are talking about:
Mary Cutcher and her roommate say they went outside after hearing shots fired and spotted Zimmerman on top of Martin, “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”
Mary Cutcher is talking about Zimmerman standing over Martin AFTER the shooting. STOP LYING!
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=9947687
Furthermore, how does Martin have a chest wound if he shot Martin while he was face down on the ground?
ADDRESS BOTH POINTS OR GO AWAY. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A TROLL.
I think you are already through the looking glass.
New witnesses just now emerging to tell a different story to the ones who were right there.
I am sure there will be plenty more emerge. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear one of them say Zimmerman chased down Martin and shot him in the back of the head then beat himself up to make it look like a fight.
Why stop at 3? Have every Black or leftist in South Florida claim to have seen everything.
That was my thought as well. Its somewhere in an evidence bag.
People that look at these videos as evidence make me chuckle.
You might as well say, "Hey....the video showed he didn't have a gun. Guess he couldn't have done it".
You took the time to transcribe that audio?
I am impressed!
I have had many cases not prosecuted during my career, usually because the evidence was not so overwhelmingly strong that the government could plea it out rather than have to go to trial.
They were solid cases, but the government felt they weren't "slam dunks", so they got no-papered (not charged).
Alternatively, I have had cases where the law was technically broken, but I felt it did not rise to the level of criminal prosecution. In some such cases, I was required by law to make an initial arrest, but when I presented the case to the prosecutor I would actually request that it be no-papered (not charged). The prosecutor would generally honor such a request.
I bring this distinction up because the mere fact that a detective presented an affidavit or charging document to the prosecutor does not necessarily mean that he "wanted Zimmerman charged". He may be required to present his facts to the prosecutor in such a fashion (and likely is required to do so in such a serious matter as a death investigation).
I therefore wonder if ABC News simply spun a report that the investigator delivered his documents to the prosecutor for review into "he sought charges" and "didn't believe the story".
You are a liar and misrepresenting events even though you have been corrected many times.
According to the witness you are talking about:
Mary Cutcher and her roommate say they went outside after hearing shots fired and spotted Zimmerman on top of Martin, “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”
Mary Cutcher is talking about Zimmerman standing over Martin AFTER the shooting. STOP LYING!
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=9947687
Furthermore, how does Martin have a chest wound if he shot Martin while he was face down on the ground?
ADDRESS BOTH POINTS OR GO AWAY. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A TROLL.
They are just not going to give this up are they? There are more than one witness that has told the police that it was Zimmerman screaming for help as well as Zimmerman himself telling them that.Like all so called “experts” for the right money they will say most anything.
You can look up Mary Cutcher and Selma Mora Lamilla yourself.
See post #274 for a link to the third witness.
You obviously have a lot more experience with these issues than I do. My only point was that prosecutors make the ultimate decision because they are trained in the law. I wasn’t trying to denigrate law enforcement. Hope it didn’t come off that way.
That's an interesting point. I know Gutman of ABC has been awfully slanted in his presentations - to the extent that a careful reading results in false impressions.
It makes good sense for the DA to be presented with a "this is the best case we can make" paper.
Serino isn't talking. ;-)
You are a liar and misrepresenting events even though you have been corrected many times.
According to the witness you are talking about:
Mary Cutcher and her roommate say they went outside after hearing shots fired and spotted Zimmerman on top of Martin, “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”
Mary Cutcher is talking about Zimmerman standing over Martin AFTER the shooting. STOP LYING!
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=9947687
Furthermore, how does Martin have a chest wound if he shot Martin while he was face down on the ground?
ADDRESS BOTH POINTS OR GO AWAY. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A TROLL.
He states that he's seen felony charges charged (in other cases) for less conduct than displayed by Zimmerman.
Instead, the court ordered Zimmerman to attend anger management classes.
Well, if the question "is / is not" can be approached as one of elimination, one could use, oh, let's say ten test "no match" examples by reproducing the recording ten times with ten different subjects. Running each one through the analysis software with the same parameters used in the actual Zimmerman analysis should reveal a recognizable pattern.
Ten bucks says you will have one or possibly two tests that exceed one standard deviation of a >10% (guesstimate) match value. As I recall you would throw those out as that amount of "outliers" are to be expected.
The mean of the remaining tests will be your "elimination percentage." Compare that to the 48% value.
There is your real result.
< /quick-dirty >
Zimmerman was charged with a felony. It was reduced to a misdemeanor by the court and he was allowed into diversion to keep it off his record, as the investigator states is common practice.
I'll wait for the ME to determine entry and exit wounds, not the media or the police.
Once someone close to me was found dead, shot through the head. There were entry and exit wounds. The police on the scene immediately decided the bullet entry was at the forehead, declared it a suicide, and did no investigation.
The autopsy revealed that the bullet entered the back of the head and exited through the forehead.
YOU STATED EARLIER IN THIS THREAD THAT THREE WITNESSES ATTEST ZIMMERMAN WAS STANDING OVER MARTIN WHEN MARTIN WAS SHOT. YOU ARE WILLFULLY MISREPRESENTING THEIR STATEMENTS. SINCE I HAVE POSTED THIS THREE TIMES AND YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED I HAVE REPORTED YOU.
You are a liar and misrepresenting events even though you have been corrected many times.
According to the witness you are talking about:
Mary Cutcher and her roommate say they went outside after hearing shots fired and spotted Zimmerman on top of Martin, “straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body, and his hands pressed on his back.”
Mary Cutcher is talking about Zimmerman standing over Martin AFTER the shooting. STOP LYING!
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=9947687
Furthermore, how does Martin have a chest wound if he shot Martin while he was face down on the ground?
ADDRESS BOTH POINTS OR GO AWAY. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A TROLL.
Absolutely correct. That's why every arrest I made was screened by a prosecutor. There is a difference between "police charges" and "actual charges". The "actual charges" came after the screening.
I wasn’t trying to denigrate law enforcement. Hope it didn’t come off that way.
Not a bit. I've had bags of human excrement tossed at me. You're unlikely to top that in this forum. Besides, you were correct anyway!
30 days later you have witnesses. I call them liars.
Not to mention that Martin’s body was found ‘face down’, not face up. Which would indicate he was over Zimmerman when the shot was fired perhaps.
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