Posted on 03/30/2012 8:50:30 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Edited on 03/30/2012 9:16:44 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Bill Maher got really fired up on his show tonight over the Trayvon Martin shooting, and tore into George Zimmerman for his pithy defense of his actions that night, bluntly calling him a big f!@#ing liar. Maher showed the tape of Zimmerman, which may or may not disprove the claim that Martin broke his nose and fought with him. Maher thought Zimmermans claim was completely ridiculous, and asked if the tape was definitive proof that Zimmerman was lying about the struggle.
Panelist Van Jones noted that in most cases, the families of the victim tend to trust that the police is on your side, but since the police didnt arrest Zimmerman due to the stand your ground law, Jones admitted that he wasnt sure how to make his kids safe if they couldnt trust the police or wear hoodies or whatever else may be too dangerous for them. Maher asked if at this point, anyone could doubt that Zimmerman was lying.
Rich Galen made it clear that no matter what kind of person Martin was, he didnt deserve what happened to him, and tried to point out that teenagers die needlessly due to traffic accidents, but Maher steered the conversation back to the topic. He said that if it was true that Zimmerman had a broken nose, blood would have been all over his shirt in the video. He asked why the right [is] so anxious to defend George Zimmerman and suggesting that everyone is rushing to judgment.
Zimmerman is a moron. Neighbor watch is Observe and report, not observe,report,confront,get beat until you are forced to shoot.
Zimmerman wasnt a cop,had no training and a room temp IQ when he confronted Martin. Martin wasnt a saint, but Zimmerman was a goofball.
What should really piss off everyone is that this thawed out the swamp and Jesse jackson,Al sharpton,Spike Lee and other assorted mouth breathing, knuckle dragging race pimps came slithering out.
Zimmerman actually did have some training:
2008 Seminole County Sheriff’s 4-month long citizen Academy (14 hours)
2009-current, attending Seminole State College, associate degree, emphasis: law enforcement
{during the previous year, 402 calls were made to the police from that community specifically, to report burglaries, thefts, and a shooting. Zimmerman made about 10% of the calls -sounds like a real swell place to have to live}
Gun control. For us non-hoodies. You don’t see those wood-work crawlers calling for the youth of the inner cities to surrender their weapons and stop killing people, do you? Trayvon is just the cover story.
from the police report:
"While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground.
Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
"Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and given first aid by the SFD"
"Once Zimmerman was cleared by the SFD he was transported..."
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
It couldn’t be more clear from the police report. Thanks for posting the facts. They give hope and keep this from becoming an untethered circus.
I stand somewhat corrected.
The main question should be then: If one Obama supporter shoots another Obama supporter, is it really a hate crime?
JUST MORE GRANDSTANDING!
GRANDSTANDING IN THE MEDIA SPOTLIGHT!
GRANDSTANDING WITH THE REV. JACKSON & REV. Sharpton
LET THEM ALL GO TO CHICAGO, L.A., HOUSTON ETC. AND TEACH THESE BOYS (MOSTLY BOYS):
“By mercy and truth iniguity is purged, and by the fear of the LORD men (and boys) depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)
“But if any (of these fathers) provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” (1 Timothy 3:8)
“For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.”
(John 3:17)
the pig has damaged HBO and needs to go, unless HBO wants to bee seen as the home of bigots and hate mongers.....now I know why Bill mahred isn’t on public access.....he doesn’t meet the criteria....
“Zimmerman is a moron. Neighbor watch is Observe and report, not observe,report,confront,get beat until you are forced to shoot.
Zimmerman wasnt a cop,had no training and a room temp IQ when he confronted Martin. Martin wasnt a saint, but Zimmerman was a goofball.”
Wow you must have witnessed the whole thing.
Zimmerman followed Martin even after being told by police “We dont need you to do that”.
That tells the whole story. Zimmerman is a wannabe cop following a wannabe Gangsta into a situation that could have been prevented by just breaking off tailing him.
But Zimmerman, with a whopping 14 hrs of citizen police training, decided to continue.
A CCW permit isnt a hunting permit. He walked into situation he when had no training, no back-up and no plan. He stood his ground but if he had a rational thought in his mind he never would have had to stand on that ground.
It was a collision of assholes. One black thug and one hispanic wannabe cop.
Ask yourself this question: would you have done what Zimmerman did?
Well first off the police didn’t say “We don’t need you to do that” that was an operator at a 911 call center. They are not law enforcement and have no authority.
Does your conclusion and opinion of the outcome change, if you find that Zimmerman broke off tailing Martin?
A dispatcher is usually a employee of the Police or public saftey dept. It aint like calling a computer help line and getting someone in India. It could be implied that the dispacther were agents of the police.
But you didnt answer my question: Would you do the same thing as Zimmerman?
Bravo. Couldn’t have said it better.
Yes it would. And I would also say that I was wrong. And how often do you hear a person here admit that?
I am basing what I am saying on what the media and police are reporting. That is foolhardy because not all the facts are out.
Probably on what the media is reporting. I don't know of any police report that has Zimmerman being the instigator of a face-to-face confrontation.
Police dispatch doesn't ask "are you following" or say "you don;t have to do that" until after Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, and Zimmerman didn't leave his vehicle until he was losing sight of Martin.
The recorded exchange between Zimmerman and dispatch has Martin staring at Zimmerman (who is in a vehicle), then Martin coming closer, then Martin staring some more while he puts his hands in his waistband, then Martin turning and running.
After that, the dispatcher asks "Are you following?" and says "you don;t have to do that." Zimmerman says OK. The call goes on for a couple minutes after that, with no sound of Martin's voice or any exchange between Zimmerman and anybody else.
The details are murky, but all the evidence points to the (shortly) later close distance confrontation coming at Martin's initiative.
That depends on what one assumes Zimmerman is doing. I would, if he is trying to maintain visual contact from a distance. I would move about, if I had to, to maintain visual contact. I would run like hell if I thought the person I was watching started coming at me - or I would back off (not showing any weapon or threat, unless I saw the other person had a gun and was aiming it at me). I might engage in conversation, but I'd try to keep 10 or so feet between myself and a stranger who was approaching me. I would NOT attempt conversation with a stranger who is moving away from me.
A bit risky - certainly more risky than just going home. In fact, he put himself at risk by observing from his car and calling police. Would you do that?
Thank you for taking the time to correct my spelling. I just love people who feel like they need to do that.
Zimmerman never confronted Trayvon, TM confronted Zimmerman and escalated the incident into violence. The only one to blame for TM being dead is TM.
I guess that that would depend on what it turned out that Zimmerman did.
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