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Forced Meds? Climate-change skepticism must be 'treated', says enviro-sociologist.
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Posted on 03/30/2012 6:13:37 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Why does it always take the Brit press to report on American extreme criminals and lunatic fringe fruitcakes?
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posted on
03/30/2012 9:14:42 PM PDT
by
Publius6961
(ItÂ’s easy to make phony promises you canÂ’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
To: aruanan
Thanks for posting this aruanan. I put this stuff out on fb all the time. I know this woman is at the crazy end of the GW spectrum but I know from previous experience that many lefties would have quiet sympathy with her statements.
Mel
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posted on
03/30/2012 10:20:44 PM PDT
by
melsec
(Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
To: aruanan; Army Air Corps
My bad (I complain about the photos of Debbie Whatshername-schultz), but I couldn’t resist!
To: expat1000
Ya can't fool me. That's Mike Meyers again
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posted on
03/31/2012 6:54:31 AM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
(This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
To: expat1000
Don’t they have orthodontia across the Pond?
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posted on
03/31/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT
by
FormerLib
(Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
To: Publius6961
Science can never be prescriptive. All it can do is raise issues for the world's attention. It is politics and economics that then decide what to do about them. People who argue that the science says we must do something are being disingenuous about their true motives. If those people are also scientists, then they are abusing science. This is a tremendously important point. --- Iain Murray, National Review, December 21, 2004
Although the following is referring principally to abortion, the underlying theme is the same:
Some have said, The case against abortion in the first trimester must rest entirely on metaphysics and philosophy. I think the case for or against abortion at any time must rest entirely on metaphysics and philosophy. It appears that for many who wish to have nothing to do with metaphysics and philosophy empirical reasons are what they get when they pass the point at which they are no longer aware of (or have successfully forgotten) their philosophical and metaphysical reasons for selecting them.
The empirical reason appears to rest on cold fact, but the reason for using it rests on something entirely different. Any time one moves from the descriptive of This is to the prescriptive of Do this, one moves through the moral world of This ought or ought not to be. This is the world of motives and beliefs. Its the world in which people actually live. It cannot be described in the same way that physics describes solar flares. This is central to the absurdity of experimental psychologys attempts to explain human behavior by dissecting rat brains and measuring dog spit. There is that in human behavior which is mans distinguishing characteristic which transcends the physical processes of reproduction, nourishment, and death.
--Letter to the Editor, National Review, Sept. 16, 1985
I first saw this difference clearly explained in
The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis. As a result, environmentalists and utopian statists have never snookered me. I was a skeptic in high school and I'm still a skeptic.
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posted on
03/31/2012 7:23:20 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: C210N
If Norgaard held a M.S., it would be More of the Same.
And, if she held a PHD, it would be Piled Higher and Deeper.
Gee, I got mine, and my four year postdoctoral fellowship, doing something much more boring, molecular neurobiology.
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posted on
03/31/2012 7:30:20 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: jveritas
Those fools are too stupid to understand how incredibly impotent they are to enforce their insanity on others. May we should encourage them to force Obama to campaign on this insanity for his re-election...
Reminds me of the joke of the guy coming back from a doctor visit, strutting around, acting like he was big stuff. His friend asked him what the doctor said that he's acting like that. He replied, "My doctor said the tests showed I was impotent!" We have one of these guys in the White House.
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posted on
03/31/2012 7:33:34 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: muir_redwoods
Im not the kind who would own slaves; Im the kind who WILL shoot anyone trying to enslave me. The AGW crowd are just this centurys version of phrenologists. Except these morons are dangerous.
You got that right. Which is why the founding fathers tried to make it as difficult as possible for a faction to get control of all the various divisions of government, but they still worried.
The following got me branded as a cynic by a professor in grad school:
Given the complexity of life, the narrow range of understanding possessed by any particular group is guaranteed to fall short at some point. Given the concentration of power exercised under a centralized system, the failures are guaranteed to have widespread and crippling effects. By contrast, the multiplicity of successes and failures over a wide range of scale that appears so chaotic in a state of liberty has the benefit of limiting the damage and of spreading throughout society successes which can be emulated and modified to fit local conditions.
Among some, the attitude seems to be We know so much now, but people dont care or wont listen or arent changing fast enough. What can we do to change things now?" The yearning appears to be for some universal remedy. This may be nice, but is hardly practicable, let alone even conceivable. It would require an understanding of life and society beyond the capability of any individual or group. Universalist approaches in the realm of economics and government have proved uniformly disastrous.
Well, it was probably this part that really did it, given that that prof was probably already in negotiations to become the public health director of Cincinnati or Columbus:
"But, somebody ought to pay me to do it because I'm right!"
Some health professionals seem to believe that the government should sponsor their efforts to counter the self-interested efforts of others (nutrition and diet quacks for example) because they are right and the others are wrong, because they are altruistic and the others are not. It may be true that they are factually correct and genuinely altruistic, and that what they wish to do will have a beneficial effect on many people, but it doesnt follow necessarily that the government should fund them.
This is a manifestation of a widespread phenomenon brought about by the advent of the secularized state. Instead of viewing the state as a limited means to a limited end, the tendency has been to imbue it, a temporal entity, with the attributes of a transcendent final judgment in which all injustices and inequalities are finally rectified. In this way, the secular state has been categorically, though not personally, deified and expected to act accordingly (something of a diffuse divine right of kings).
This is seen in those who believe the necessary response to a social ill is the passage of a law, especially a federal law, and the enactment of a program, especially one that they can devise and administrate (and that not necessarily for cynical reasons). Those who feel they are on the side of right, certain they arent acting against societys interest, often appeal to the State to aid them in their struggle against evil. Since the spirit of the secular state is money and power, they ask to be endowed accordingly. Its pathetically naive and dangerous.
Power accumulates power. Government grows until it meets a limit, either a systemic one (Constitutional limits), or a fiscal one (limits imposed by the amount of money it is able to generate or extort from its own citizens or those outside), or a social one (limits provided by massive societal non-compliance or armed insurrection or by other countries response to aggression or perceived weakness). Even then it still has great power to drain resources and people from productive enterprise and turn them to its own ends. In this way it is functioning as a parasite living off the body politic.
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posted on
03/31/2012 7:59:20 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: denydenydeny
I figured this had to be a parody article from one of the a-holes who like to hurt the site by posting phony articles. But, Good Lord, it's for real.
Hey, the sickest of life imitates the sickest of art.
Professors of the soft sciences have always longed to be taken as seriously as physicists, chemists, and mathematicians are. Much mischief has been born of this professional jealousy, not least of which is Marxism itself, which took one crackpot economic theory and imbued it with the magical word "scientific" and, boom: hundreds of millions dead.
If you haven't already read it, find
Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels with Science by Paul R. Gross and Norman Levitt. The authors are self-described liberals and feel excruciated that their analysis could give any ammunition to those of the right, but in the interest of truth they thought they had to write the book anyway. You will be richly rewarded.
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posted on
03/31/2012 8:11:13 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: pabianice
Final exams in the professor's class
For a second I thought that was a scene out of The Men Who Stare at Goats.
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posted on
03/31/2012 8:13:11 AM PDT
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aruanan
To: ctdonath2
Beautiful graphic! I’m saving this one.
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posted on
03/31/2012 8:14:55 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: ctdonath2
Considering the past 450,000 years, we’re living in the end times of the good times. Smoke em if you’ve got em. Hey, maybe each one of those previous plunges into cold oblivion represents a previous time in which nutcases got their way, the intervening deep freeze the length of time needed to weed them out of the gene pool to a sufficient degree for science and sensibility to recrudesce. Hey, I think it makes better sense than their view of AGW.
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posted on
03/31/2012 8:19:45 AM PDT
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aruanan
To: melsec
I know this woman is at the crazy end of the GW spectrum but I know from previous experience that many lefties would have quiet sympathy with her statements.
I once had a boss who said that if people have to get licenses to drive cars, they need to get them to become parents. She didn't seem to think much of my questioning who would be the ones to set the criteria for "successful parenting." She also said that because health care results in costs "to society," someone has to decide who gets what and how much of it. I still don't see the chain of logic that inexorably leads from the former observation to the latter prescription. It was as though the whole central matter of values and politics that separated one from the other was invisible to her.
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posted on
03/31/2012 8:35:08 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: aruanan
If the Kenyan lizard gets his way...
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posted on
03/31/2012 11:05:20 AM PDT
by
y6162
To: aruanan
The enviro-sociologist who wants to treat you:
"WI-I-I-I-I-LBUR!"
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posted on
03/31/2012 3:42:18 PM PDT
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posted on
03/31/2012 7:11:15 PM PDT
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To: Publius6961
Gender and the evironment? Race and the environment? WTF?It liberal code for "Whites bad, males bad, womyn good, pussified liberal lap-dog males provisionally acceptable" You probably didn't understand because you speak English rather than Moron.
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posted on
03/31/2012 11:09:50 PM PDT
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: DeweyShootem; Tax-chick
It doesnt matter what they have to say, facts are not there friends. Global warming has happened many times before when there were several billion less humans and virtually no combustible engines.I don't think I'd want a combustible engine. Seems like you'd be replacing them a lot.
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posted on
03/31/2012 11:17:56 PM PDT
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: aruanan
Nice point aruanan!
Somewhere in the background of all that is that they are the ones who get to make the decision. Without the guidance of God, though, their decisions are arbitrary and without the humility that comes from ultimately having to answer for their actions they cannot be trusted.
Mel
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posted on
04/01/2012 12:00:52 AM PDT
by
melsec
(Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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