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1 posted on 03/30/2012 6:13:34 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It seems he has liberty and dependency mixed up!


23 posted on 03/30/2012 6:32:44 PM PDT by marstegreg
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Mr. Obama has never understood that the creation of real wealth has the highest correlation with the establishment of social justice. Productive capitalism is the greatest generator of wealth. The best a well managed government can do is perhaps ameliorate very poor outcomes for unfortunate individuals. It cannot generate the wealth itself.


25 posted on 03/30/2012 6:33:40 PM PDT by allendale
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Before I had insurance, office visits were $60 at the local Urgent Care clinic, where I was greeted by a nurse, seen by my doctor, and they were open whenever I cared to visit. Appointments could be arranged easily.

I had an HMO - I was given a short list of doctors to choose from, where I had to make appointments weeks in advance, was kept waiting for an hour or more each time, and was ‘treated’ by a physician’s assistant. Office visits ran $60.

Now I have health insurance, doctor’s visits are $60 at the Urgent Care clinic, I can go in on Sundays, never have had to wait more than 5 minutes, and always see my doctor. Monthly savings are $257, which pays for an awful lot of doctor’s visits, but the savings to my time are enormous.

The idea of being stuck in a national HMO plan is absolutely awful to me. The idea of the federal government dictating what benefits I’m to have is even worse.


27 posted on 03/30/2012 6:37:50 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/03/29/the-health-care-disaster-and-the-miseries-of-blue/


28 posted on 03/30/2012 6:39:36 PM PDT by biggredd1
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You’re right, kenyan. And, we could afford to be on our own if the government wasn’t raping us of 30% of OUR earnings. Pound sand.


29 posted on 03/30/2012 6:40:12 PM PDT by Student0165
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What I wouldn't give right now for the bracing effects of some more "you're on your own" economics - I really wish the federal leviathan would just leave me and my economics alone so I can pursue my own economic interest unfettered by the parasitic greed of liberalism.

Anyone But Obama
30 posted on 03/30/2012 6:42:06 PM PDT by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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Hey, Obama. I think it’s about time... YOU be ‘on your own’!


31 posted on 03/30/2012 6:43:57 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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Mind your own damn business, Barack, I like being “on my own”!

I want the government and YOU out of my life forever!
You don’t get to STEAL what I work for and give it to some lazy ass deadbeats for sitting on their asses (and there are MILLIONS of them)!


33 posted on 03/30/2012 6:53:00 PM PDT by kcvl
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The Kenyan pimping the nanny state again. That crap sure gets old.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 6:55:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to WEAN the government off of our money.)
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What was Reagan’s line—something like:

The most dreaded words you can hear are, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

Actually, we’ve had 50 years of the Great Society and how’s that working out for us?


35 posted on 03/30/2012 7:05:41 PM PDT by randita
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...just a reminder from 2008....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=g-hist&context=G29e8d16AHT3ZLFwAAAA


36 posted on 03/30/2012 7:13:19 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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Well, the “SPend Yourself Inot Oblivion” Economics ain’t working,Zero!


37 posted on 03/30/2012 7:16:35 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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"They believe that’s how America is advanced,” he said.

The man is a genius. Yes Hussein, people worked hard and made a living from the freedom to do business. Take your socialism and shove it up your Ass.

41 posted on 03/30/2012 7:34:10 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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The sound of desperation, I would gladly go back to the Bush years compared to this disaster.

Pray for America


42 posted on 03/30/2012 7:34:40 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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Gas is $4.15, Food prices have doubled. Thanks for help Obama-lama-din-dong.


45 posted on 03/30/2012 7:46:58 PM PDT by Rodm
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Obama to Blacks: Take Off Your Bedroom Slippers; Stop Complaining
46 posted on 03/30/2012 7:56:46 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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From the guy who will not pay his fair share in taxes.


47 posted on 03/30/2012 8:02:15 PM PDT by KSanders
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The DNC buying vote economics


48 posted on 03/30/2012 8:02:44 PM PDT by KSanders
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“'You’re on your own if you’re out of work, can’t find a job. Tough luck you’re on your own. You don’t have health care: That’s your problem. You’re on your own. If you’re born into poverty, lift yourself up with your own bootstraps, even if you don’t have boots. You’re on your own. They believe that’s how America is advanced,'” he (Obama) said.

Guess he must have missed classes during the week they reviewed Madison and Jefferson on the Constitution's protections for "freedom of individual enterprise" and the "benign" influence of government on its operation.

Jefferson, that great intellectual who was chosen to write a people's Declaration of Independence from a government which assumed powers to spend, tax, and overpower citizens, in his "Notes on Religion," made an observation which, while it was directed toward oppressive ecclesiastical rules, seems to be pertinent to the current matter involving coercive government "rules":

"Notes on Religion, 1776 (Ford 2: 252-68)
"The care of every man’s soul belongs to himself. But what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he neglect the care of his health or estate, which more nearly relate to the state. Will the magistrate make a law that he shall not be poor or sick? Laws provide against injury from others; but not from ourselves. God himself will not save men against their wills…"

Apparently, "progressives" believe they should, and therein lies a great disparity between the Founders' ideas of liberty for individuals and the so-called "progressives'" ideas of rule and control over individuals. No wonder the President views the Constitution as a document of "negative liberties." In order to fulfill the goals of its Preamble, it does place a negative on unlimited coercive government power.

Yes, the Founders' principle of freedom for individual enterprise brought America from the crude tools of ancient Europe to the most free and prosperous destination for oppressed peoples. See the following essay excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," a 292-page history of the ideas of liberty in America, again available after 20 years of being out of print.

Freedom Of Individual Enterprise

The Economic Dimension Of Liberty Protected By The Constitution

"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise." - Thomas Jefferson

"The enviable condition of the people of the United States is often too much ascribed to the physical advantages of their soil & climate .... But a just estimate of the happiness of our country will never overlook what belongs to the fertile activity of a free people and the benign influence of a responsible government." - James Madison

America's Constitution did not mention freedom of enterprise per se, but it did set up a system of laws to secure individual liberty and freedom of choice in keeping with Creator-endowed natural rights. Out of these, free enterprise flourished naturally. Even though the words "free enterprise' are not in the Constitution, the concept was uppermost in the minds of the Founders, typified by the remarks of Jefferson and Madison as quoted above. Already, in 1787, Americans were enjoying the rewards of individual enterprise and free markets. Their dedication was to securing that freedom for posterity.

The learned men drafting America's Constitution understood history - mankind's struggle against poverty and government oppression. And they had studied the ideas of the great thinkers and philosophers. They were familiar with the near starvation of the early Jamestown settlers under a communal production and distribution system and Governor Bradford's diary account of how all benefited after agreement that each family could do as it wished with the fruits of its own labors. Later, in 1776, Adam Smith's INQUIRY INTO THE NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE WEALTH OF NATIONS and Say's POLITICAL ECONOMY had come at just the right time and were perfectly compatible with the Founders' own passion for individual liberty. Jefferson said these were the best books to be had for forming governments based on principles of freedom. They saw a free market economy as the natural result of their ideal of liberty. They feared concentrations of power and the coercion that planners can use in planning other peoples lives; and they valued freedom of choice and acceptance of responsibility of the consequences of such choice as being the very essence of liberty. They envisioned a large and prosperous republic of free people, unhampered by government interference.

The Founders believed the American people, possessors of deeply rooted character and values, could prosper if left free to:

  • acquire and own property
  • have access to free markets
  • produce what they wanted
  • work for whom and at what they wanted
  • travel and live where they would choose
  • acquire goods and services which they desired

Such a free market economy was, to them, the natural result of liberty, carried out in the economic dimension of life. Their philosophy tend­ed to enlarge individual freedom - not to restrict or diminish the individual's right to make choices and to succeed or fail based on those choices. The economic role of their Constitutional government was simply to secure rights and encourage commerce. Through the Constitution, they granted their government some very limited powers to:

Adam Smith called it "the system of natural liberty." James Madison referred to it as "the benign influence of a responsible government." Others have called it the free enterprise system. By whatever name it is called, the economic system envisioned by the Founders and encouraged by the Constitution allowed individual enterprise to flourish and triggered the greatest explosion of economic progress in all of history. Americans became the first people truly to realize the economic dimension of liberty.


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

49 posted on 03/30/2012 8:29:36 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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He can take his cronyism mack daddy government uber alles economics and stuff it.


50 posted on 03/30/2012 8:42:01 PM PDT by A message
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