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What if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman?
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 29 March, 2012 | David Codrea

Posted on 03/30/2012 7:03:25 AM PDT by marktwain

“Obama Campaign: Republicans ‘Politicizing’ Trayvon Martin's Death,” RealClearPolitics reported yesterday, citing an appearance on MSNBC by Stephanie Cutter, Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager.

She was referencing the reaction to the president saying if he had a son he would look like Trayvon.

"His Republican opponents have jumped all over him because they do want to play politics with this issue. The President spoke from his heart on this, it was trying to emphasize with some parents who had just lost a child. By any measure, this was a tragedy and we need to let the investigation take its course," Cutter said.

Amen to the latter part—the investigation should be allowed to take its course. But as for “people hav[ing] to stop politicizing it,” Ms. Cutter exhibited bizarre, in-your-face hypocrisy, particularly considering some of the recent performances by Democrats Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Hank Johnson, Bobby Rush…

The political left that includes the Sharpton/Jackson self-promotion street theater to the positively loony and dangerous haters represented by the New Black Panthers, has been doing nothing but making hay of this tragedy for political gain while pouring gasoline on the flames of racial mistrust,

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I then asked a question that I believe merits a fair discussion:

Assuming he was not the aggressor, what if Martin had stood his ground and managed to kill Zimmerman? Would not those rallying behind his memory want to use the law to rally to his defense?

Ah, but there’s the rub, some may say. Reports say Martin punched first, and was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him.

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We may never know, but in principle we need to be able to ask what if Trayvon Martin had killed George Zimmerman? Or what if their ethnicities had been reversed? What discussion would we…should we be having then?

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; killing; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: allmendream

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Notice comment about “folder”


61 posted on 03/30/2012 10:16:48 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: allmendream

Here are the reports released on line

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html


62 posted on 03/30/2012 10:19:01 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
If it goes to court, Zimmerman is entitled to a jury. He'll be charged with negligent homicide or manslaughter at the least.

The gravamen of the case would be negligent use of deadly force, leading to death.

63 posted on 03/30/2012 10:19:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: BykrBayb
Hmmm Skittles is the street name for Ecstasy.

Maybe it Skillets and Exphasy

64 posted on 03/30/2012 10:21:05 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
-- Don't know if anyone saw first blow. --

Other than George, that is. His brother, Robert, Jr., said that there is an eyewitness who saw the first blow. That testimony is tightly held by the investigation.

65 posted on 03/30/2012 10:21:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hoosiermama

The headline says it - but nothing I read in the body of the article supports it.

From the article.....

“When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

He saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating him up. He then heard a gunshot and saw Martin laying dead in the grass. There was no report that he saw Martin initiate the violence against Martin.

The statements of the witness doesn’t support the Headline that the witness saw that Martin attacked Zimmerman - only that he saw Martin WINNING the fight against Zimmerman.


66 posted on 03/30/2012 10:22:11 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Cboldt

Would you want a jury? Not sure with all the MSM against him he could find a non-biased jury.


67 posted on 03/30/2012 10:22:56 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt

Yelp I thinks so too. ....That’s what is in the folder and the reason no charges have been filed.

Taking it to court opens the witness to JJ, AS, BP and others.

OTOH those listed above would be left with a lot more then egg on their faces.


68 posted on 03/30/2012 10:26:03 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama

LOL


69 posted on 03/30/2012 10:27:09 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: hoosiermama
-- Would you want a jury? Not sure with all the MSM against him he could find a non-biased jury. --

I don't know for sure, but I think I would prefer a jury to a judge, in this case. The jury's perception is going to be much different from that the public has, now. I have not heard of a single eyewitness that cuts against Zimmerman. Either the testimony is equivocal, or it exonerates Zimmerman. There will plenty of forensic evidence too.

70 posted on 03/30/2012 10:29:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: BykrBayb

Have been asking for days: Were did the skittles and AZ tea come from? Who reported it first? In what content? It’s not mentioned in any of the reports released by the town/police.


71 posted on 03/30/2012 10:30:00 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt
True and we have no idea what forensic and autopsy report will contain.

Am still on my skittle and AZ tea search. Now when it's google full of crap. Maybe that's on purpose to confuse the drug issue.

We'll know when the toxicology reports come back.

72 posted on 03/30/2012 10:33:23 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
-- That's what is in the folder and the reason no charges have been filed. --

I think even if this eyewitness did not or does not exist, the totality of the remaining evidence doesn't support bringing charges.

73 posted on 03/30/2012 10:34:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: marktwain

Here is something I am confused about....

I have heard the call Zimmerman made, Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend, and we are told that someone can be heard crying on a 911 call. Is that the same call that Zimmerman made originally to inform the police that he was concerned about this person? Or is it a different call? Was it a call from the witness?

Just wondering because that hasn’t been clear to me.


74 posted on 03/30/2012 10:36:39 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Cboldt
Agree, but the media and family will need to be appeased with facts and information. Can it be released with no legal action taken. Will the state be able to issue a “report”?
75 posted on 03/30/2012 10:37:52 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Jvette

See link at 62 for all the tapes. It’s there you can listen to them all in just a few minutes.


76 posted on 03/30/2012 10:40:20 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama

I didn’t know that. I’ve been unable to access PDF files lately, and all the reports I’ve found have been PDF.


77 posted on 03/30/2012 10:40:44 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: hoosiermama
-- Agree, but the media and family will need to be appeased with facts and information. Can it be released with no legal action taken. Will the state be able to issue a "report"? --

Sure. The investigator can summarize findings, then provide either summaries of the testimony, or the actual interviews with names redacted, etc. Photos of Zimmerman's injuries and a description of the exact cause of Martin's death (bullet entry point); any other relevant forensic evidence, like powder burns on Martin's palm or palms, could also be made public without bringing charges. All at the investigator's discretion.

If there is a grand jury and a trial, grand jury testimony comes right in. The defendant is entitled to it, and so is the public.

78 posted on 03/30/2012 10:44:31 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: BykrBayb

You can listed to the 911 calls and view the video at the link above.

But there seems to be some material missing

Have you seen this?

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012


79 posted on 03/30/2012 10:46:14 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Cboldt

Then if the reports are finalized it should move right along. It was reported that State AG who was assigned case may make decision and not take it to Grand Jury. She better have her ducks in line.


80 posted on 03/30/2012 10:49:29 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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