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To: GnL

I put the FairTax info out there for people to get educated. I said nothing about its chances but only point it out as an alternative and it has as much chance at passage as a repeal of Obamacare does.

Indeed SCOTUS may very well throw out the individual mandate based on contract law but they will not throw out Obamacare in toto. They can’t, because if they did, then the social security tax would be vulnerable to repeal; Biden said this 2 years ago. So this is not my opinion, this is their stated gameplan but unfortunately conservatives have been diverted to ‘contract’ and commerce clause arguments. Those are red herrings.

Obamacare will survive as a TAX. And as with all taxes, they expand so Obamacare taxes will expand. The expanded taxes will take revenues from private health plans and from incomes and be redistributed to state medicaid programs. I think you can see what will happen.

Dems have become aware they don’t need the individual mandate NOW; they will get it by another means later, through TAXATION.

What is the alternative? There is none short of reading, studying and supporting the link I posted in post #7. No you will not see a repeal, there are not the votes in the Senate and there won’t be after the election. So we will have Obamacare survive; get used to it because it is an undeniable fact. We will have it.

Oh you will be happy to hear SCOTUS strike down the ‘compulsory’ mandate provisions of Obamacare. And like having drunk a little too much at a party you will wake up the next morning with a hangover and realize “Oh Crap, they left the taxes in”. And then you will hear the Sunday Morning pundits discuss how those taxes are going to slowly over time take down private health plans; and so it begins.

And realize all this socialism was not Obama’s vision. He is just the vehicle they used to push it through. No, this social health insurance movement was present in the original social security movement of the 1930s but the leaders of that movement decided to remove the social health provisions and bring them ‘later’. Well, ‘later’ is now.


13 posted on 03/25/2012 8:43:16 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage

The augment that 0-care is just a tax like SS, was rejected by some of the liberal lower court decisions that still upheld 0-care under the commerce clause. The 0-care mandate penalizes those that refuse to buy insurance with a fine, a penalty. The courts have made a clear distinction between a penalty and a tax. Forcing people to enter into private contacts, and calling that a tax, exceeds even an ardent Leftist’s capacity for pretzel logic.


26 posted on 03/25/2012 10:51:48 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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