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To: Travis McGee
But for sure, it shows the danger to all sides when self-designated armed neighborhood watchmen start following people around.

Isn't that the danger of self-government in the first place? Do you think people shouldn't watch their neighborhoods? If they do, shouldn't they be armed? Given that the alternative is an armed monopoly police, is that what you really want?

I live in a rural area. The Sheriff is 10-45 minutes away, depending upon what they're dealing with. If a kid that looked like a gang-banger was on my land, you can bet I certainly do want my neighbors to confront him. Situations vary. That's why we have local standards.

They are NOT police, and have NO right to demand to know if somebody lives there, or ask what their business is. NO right at all.

That depends upon if they are witnessing a crime, doesn't it? At that point, if the crime was trespassing versus trying to steal a car, or breaking into a house and shooting the residents, you think the only thing to do is dial 911? Really? When seconds count...

Was that the Founders' vision? I think not.

There is no end to that kind of thinking, because to keep people safe would require cops all over the place. At that point, there are a lot of cops. They become a political force. They unionize. "Officer safety" then demands TWO cops always together. Oh, and pensions, gotta have pensions, with hazard pay. It's got to the point that in San Jose, CA we have sergeants dragging down $250,000 a year. We did very well in this country without SWAT teams everybloodywhere.

"We" can't have just anybody doing rehab either, or child protection, or... It's bankrupting us Travis.

I suggest for you a nasty little book, HAGA'S LAW (Why Nothing Works and No One Can Fix It, and the More We Try, the Worse It Gets). It'll cure you of this kind of incontinent thinking.

Sorry, but that is the way it is. As I see it. And I am a FL resident with a CCW.

I take it that you think 'the way you see it' applies to everybody, regardless of whether they are urban, suburban, or rural, and regardless of the degree of emergency. Procedure uber alles. That is a bureaucratic tyrant's perspective, a preference for a police state that is unworthy of you. I suggest you rethink your absolutist position.

202 posted on 03/24/2012 10:49:59 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There is no such thing as "renewable" energy.)
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To: Carry_Okie
If a kid that looked like a gang-banger was on my land . . .

The gang-banger Trayvon photos that are being posted on this site are not of 'our' Trayvon who was an A-B student and a member of his school's football team.


217 posted on 03/24/2012 11:17:30 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Carry_Okie

This is a classic case of a SD being muddied up by the shooter starting the situation by being the follower. Was Z-man acting illegally, until the last act of the play? No, but he’s still in grave legal danger, that was predictable from a month away. This does not mean I want following folks to be illegal, etc. But folks should know that it carries a grave legal risk, if the followed pulls a J-turn into your face. Suddenly, your SD looks very dubious to the jury. I wouldn’t do it for that reason. Maybe you would. Fine with me.

I’m also not a fan of open carry, but if others want to attack that hill, fine by me. See the difference?


242 posted on 03/24/2012 12:38:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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